956. - Chris & Jason

[00:00] All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. [00:30] YouTube. [00:50] How long gone? This is Chris Black. It is a beautiful... [00:54] beautiful thursday afternoon here in east hampton jason the sun is still shining it's humid as hell today you know i was at the pool earlier i can literally see alex floating while reading a book right now and she deserves it she does deserve it much more than me uh that's why i'm in this room uh with my new play school recording device on the on the blower with them jeans yeah i had to get chris one of those kid proof recorders to make sure he didn't mess it up a lot of a lot [01:24] And honestly, it looks like something that would come in a McDonald's Happy Meal. It's kind of the vibe. It's the free gift with a McDonald's Happy Meal. Damn. Okay. Yeah, my first Fruity Loops user. Yeah. What is it? FP Studio? That's what you told me they call it now? FL Studio. FL. I'm sorry. Of course. FL. Yeah, it makes more sense. Yeah, that's the actual words. Yeah, they're like, lose the fruity. It's cleaner. We're so good. Yeah. Shout out to Fruity Loops, all of our FL Studio users. Yeah.

[01:54] you're you're still out there in the country i spent the last few days in a different country where you're able to access easily from burbank airport and just a quick 80 minute bop over to utah and i got to do some utah stuff with which is basically have food that has a lot of sugar in it is sort of the general vibe in utah you know i think it's starting to i'm starting to think that with the mormons maybe it's it would be dangerous if we gave them drugs and alcohol because they're [02:24] years their their aggressions are so pent up once they get jacked up on a fucking swig maybe that's all they can handle imagine if a mormon did a bump it could it could be a seismic shift in the in the culture of the church imagine if a mormon did a bump they would yeah they would kill their pet you know like whatever they have a golden retriever named ollie and they would first they would be crying while they killed it didn't know why they did it you know and i think sort of right [02:54] sort of lashing out. He hasn't done a bump yet, but he's seen a bump, and now he is, I think he only wears dresses and then films himself. Benson, did you do any? No, no, I just looked at it. I just looked at it. I swear I just looked at it. Like I said, if he actually did do it, [03:09] He would do a backflip off the Golden Gate Bridge to his demise, and he'd be screaming the whole time. He'd be loving it. Finally, I can be released from my dark angel. Look, all he has to do is fuck a guy, and he'll be fine. That's really what it... You know what I mean? So do it. Do it. Well, I will say... I have to say... Do it, pussy. As far as guys in dresses, he looked good. Let's keep it a whole buck. Let's keep it a whole buck, because his rig is tight. Let's be real. Benson Boone, you can... Come on, bro.

[03:39] isn't great, his mustache annoys me, but there's no denying his tight rig. Jason, come on. You have eyes. Admit the truth. Okay, yeah. Does he keep a tight package? Yeah, of course. Do I want to see an address? No. Does a dress made for a woman... [03:55] accentuate his features not at all does well i don't want to see him wearing a dakota fanning dress he ain't got the ass he ain't got the titties he doesn't have the torso for it i i'm telling you that in a nice body con i think i think benson can pull it off i really do i think the i mean i didn't see the cakes i didn't see the glutes i didn't see what was happening on the behind bro he's five two and can flip you know the cake that's a good point that's a good point he's working with a lot of christina tosi bro should look like quarter sheets he's a half [04:25] whole thing and he put them together yeah and he showed and his fucking gay ass got his little princess cake out all the time [04:31] And he said, what do you mean? I'm not gay at all. He's sort of doing a new, different version of what Charlie Puth was doing for a little while. Remember when Puth went through his sexy phase? What Puth doing? It didn't help him sell any records. Benson Boone, I feel like he's not even doing this to sell records. I feel like he's just doing this because he feels cold. Yeah, he's between cycles. And what I think is happening is his constitution is so weak... [04:55] He's only released one album and done one tour, and he's already entered the Britney Spears filming herself during COVID stage of his career. You know, let's call it 11 months after his debut album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I think that those timelines are accelerated now in our modern era. I think things have changed. You know, it's not... Thanks a lot, Adam Faze. Yeah, it's Adam Faze's fault. Oh, it'll be on YouTube. Okay.

[05:19] All right. So how was Utah? [05:25] swamp hollow frog pig farm you know that that where they get you they get you outside it's this beautiful sort of spread of lettuces and snap peas and fucking fruit and you get inside and they're selling 40 pre-packaged lasagna and mesh hats you know what i mean so it's like i is that was that your and not that all this shit is delicious i had a i had a triple berry pie last night that blew my top off don't get me wrong all the products are made all the products are amazing [05:55] They're selling a lie. I think the farm aspect is true, but they're really making money on the tote bags, the mesh hats, and the t-shirts, and the sweatshirts. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, the profit margin on the sweatpants versus the beef tallow, it's a lot different. You know what I mean? [06:13] Also, sorry, another thing I forgot about Utah, and we'll get into it more, but we— [06:18] In terms of the gayness and the Benson Boone of it all, we drove past a place on the way to Ballerina called the River Bottoms Ranch. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. It's like a wedding location, an event space. Of course. And I was like, I think that might be [06:34] What's wrong with... [06:36] you know, the gayness and the Mormonism and the closeted and the, you know, the pent up aggression and the sugar and all that stuff. The problem is Utah, it's a state full of bottoms. They're not getting fucked because there's no one to fuck. Well, they're also all hot. That's the other thing that makes it excruciating. What do we do? I mean, the frustration of a room full of hot bottoms and not one, not one dong. I used to get those videos. Now we're going to get them after talking about this. I used to get these videos on reels where it's like a guy on the BYU campus,

[07:06] asking people like what they're what they would do it like what they would do to go to hell basically like what they would you know what i mean he asked them all it's so good oh like if you are if you were going to go out what would it be yeah it's so good because some people it's like oh i would you know whatever i'd have a threesome with my teacher and other people are like i would have i would have ice cream with chocolate sauce and then maybe you know what i mean it's it's the range of i would i would probably i don't know play grand theft auto for an hour like [07:36] up past 11 the next guy's like well double murder suicide while i'm coming right too far do you have a dog do you have a dog i could kill because that would be great anyway so i'm pulling the fingernails out one by one with the needle nose and that's the that's first course oh that's so funny all right so you all right so the hotel looked beautiful the view looked amazing we were podcasting with with sisto last week i got a little early this week i got a little view now [08:06] dumb shit um in in and good delicious i mean that again all these places are so good that it's like well yeah i mean it's tough to complain about but i saw you you sent me a picture you might have posted as well there's gonna be a protein soft serve which sounds like there's a place here called the sagaponic general store which is full of like you know women that put on a full face of makeup to get a matcha latte and a breakfast sandwich they don't eat sagaponic general store

[08:36] It's a beautiful back garden. The offering is fine, but they're selling a lot of hats. But my point is they have a soft serve station that I've yet to patronize because I've only gone during the day. You know me. I don't do that. But you saw protein soft serve. Were you able to have a little nip and try it? Okay. All right. The problem was, I mean, that's what was going through my thick skull was like, am I going to have chocolate soft serve for breakfast? [09:06] blonde-haired, blue-eyed cows. It's still a bridge too far, so we went with the greenhouse. Wait, wait, wait. Are these cows hot? Okay, sorry, sorry. Okay, you're saying? Yeah, we don't use any ugly cows, just to be fair. Grass-fed? Well, you could say that. I mean, that's a little better than that. All right, so you went with something else. Grass-fed boots down. So yeah, we went with a smoothie. It was like a green smoothie that [09:36] because it's like [09:37] We are addicted to sugar, but we are also into sustainable, woodsy type of... [09:44] organic naturally occurring sweeteners like that versus you know a stevia pack whatever so cool that got a couple little pastries you know a little croissant and but the thing i liked about it the most was with any purchase you get they give you a slice of sourdough bread still warm from the oven and then they have a self-serve table with a giant thing of butter like you're at a you

[10:14] and then some nice gray Himalayan salt or something, and then some local Manuka honey, of course, to drizzle upon it. Or you could just do it for $1. So I like the idea. You can go into a place, hand them $1 bill, they give you [10:28] One of the better slices of sourdough bread you're going to eat, smear it on with as much local butter and honey and salt. It was really quite good. Imagine if they put that in the West Village. Oh, my God. Women would be killing each other. There would be a death. Well, that's... The problem is... [10:45] You get the quality where it's higher than Erewhon and Happier Grocery and everywhere else. No shade to those retailers. But, you know, the prices are half the cost because it is Utah. So your brain is kind of doing somersaults where you're like, I'm leaving... [10:58] a metropolitan area where everything is at your fingertips, driving into a town truly in the middle of nowhere, in the state in the middle of nowhere. It's just like a true oasis. So like all these, you know, [11:11] masa chips are being flown in from all over the world and and it's still half the price of anything in new york and la just because you know utah different that's nice you can get like this crazy smoothie and it's like ten dollars because that's the opposite of what i'm doing here it's the same because what you're paying for the status i mean you're paying for i don't want i don't care about like [11:32] This milk being raw or whatever, or I don't care about like this bag of, you know, dried beans I'm going to take home and never use. I want other people to know that I have enough money to go to this place in this place.

[11:45] Town [11:46] And that's what it's all about. I will say that there's a place here, a very popular place called Carissa's The Bakery. And the sourdough is unbelievable. I will say it is levitation level. No do-ah. And I'm very impressed by it. But I also, there's a gym, you know, because I told you about trying to go to the Equinox in the Hamptons where it's on top of my all-access two membership. It's an additional $300 a month to use the one out here, which is just amazing. [12:16] not pay? I've been going to this Sag Harbor gym, which is like a local... I realized the one time I'd been out here before, I'd been to this gym. It's kind of a classic locals gym. Like, a little better than it should be because it's here, but not too crazy. And the crowd is... [12:30] One of the greatest mixes I've ever seen at a gym. Because it's like old, rich guy, full-timer, Bentley parked in the handicap spot who are in better shape than us. Then it's all, if you're looking for a thick Latina, they all work here and they're all at the gym, just handle them the Smith machine. [13:00] for summer and they're just they're just shirts off biceps bulging tan year round look like they play baseball at pepperdine you know what i mean and it's just so i got a little something for you and a little something for me a little latina for me and a little exactly a little pepperdine shortstop for you exactly a little second basement for me but the yeah the biceps looking good not a hair on him it's one of the wildest crowds i've ever seen but it's a great gym and the culture i can't tell what the culture is i've been five days in a row but i still haven't been able to

[13:30] but it's fascinating overall i think i think the culture at that gym versus the equinox gym out there is anyone as long as you're not gay it seems to be the sag harbor gym no no no no no no no no there's there's plenty of gays but it's a certain it's like a it's like an older unfussy gay which is which is top of the heap as far as you know what i mean the the the young guys are who are trying to party in montauk aren't there it's like guys that have lived here for a long time [14:00] Keith like Andy's husband like really good looking really great shape very kind of got it exactly that that that vibe but yeah so I'm I'm needless to say I'm ready to go home um anytime how many more days do you have out there just one just one full day just one full day I'll be back in money-making Manhattan on Saturday afternoon um just in time for the [14:22] the Knicks watch party I'm hosting, you know, um, over, over at my house, we got the projector out, you know, I ordered some, I ordered, uh, uh, three cases of Quinn's popcorn. I got hot dogs going on the grill. You already know what kind of vibe it's going to be over at my house. Hopefully they're a kind of a body style, hot dog offering. You're not going to go Korean sliders this time. Smart. Yeah. The Korean, what, what is the popular Korean dog that's going around? [14:46] I'm not talking about David Cho. Like the one that... Korean dog? You mean like the corn dog? Yeah, the Korean corn dog. Yes, I see that quite often. Yeah, they're popular over there in New York. Have you tried one? Is it good? It probably is. I've never tried one just because... It's a little stupid.

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[18:27] entire life i believe that i believe that because that i think that's high up on your list of fat boy foods that you would try to avoid at all costs even even like the a vegan one at some point you never tried that probably no because it's probably even more fat boy it's probably even worse for you somehow you know it's probably worse for i was i was thinking more so pre your calorie counting days but okay yeah yeah yeah well in those days i was busy stuffing my face with burritos that [18:57] matter what i was doing it wasn't it wasn't rice cakes and peanut butter before i go for a 30 mile jog i'll say brown rice and tofutti cream cheese wrapped in a green tortilla that'll be all good sir literally yeah i'll get some green sauce on the side please um yeah but this okay so the knicks victory last night i of course fell asleep i was paying attention damn it was a real bummer i liked that i was able to watch most of the nba finals from uh from a hotel yeah that's a good [19:27] at the hotel lobby bar to watch a basketball game, and who got the most drunk, you or Carolyn? I would say we both kind of drank the same amount, but I feel like I got a little sillier drunker. She was able to hold it more. The altitude up there, you're like 8,000, 9,000 feet up. So you really got to just... [19:45] two drinks and also in in utah they have the little cocktail restrictor nozzle on the bottle oh so when you get a you know quote-unquote a utah martini i didn't think it's still 23 but it's just half the amount of vodka so it's just when you go to these cool restaurants are like we made a tiny teeny because you know we're afraid of drunky drunky

[20:06] It's the same thing, but they don't charge you $11.54. They're still charging you the $23, but when you go to a montage hotel in a fucking ski resort. Yeah, you're going to get taxed. Yeah, it's not a secret there. Yeah, I mean, I'm happy for all the people that care too much about this. I do think that even though I know it's bad, throwing eggs at Wimby when he's going to the hotel is hilarious. After his team... [20:35] just lost embarrassingly. So bad form, kicking a man when he's down. If he destroyed the Knicks and if they called the game at the end of the first half, then yeah, sure, throw an egg. I think New York City in many ways is the kind of kick you while you're down place, like ground zero for that, whether you're a civilian or a seven foot four multimillionaire. We love kicking a man when he's down. We love beating a dead horse. [21:05] sketching in the park and like all that shit is really funny because it just makes people want to fucking kill him in a way that's like you know what man let this basketball player be more well rounded than just cheating on his wife you know what i mean let this guy let this guy have his hobbies but it's too imagine seeing imagine first of all the new yorker who gave him the key to the Gramercy Park that's crazy work you better be from Santa you better be from San Antonio and secondly [21:30] So imagine seeing that. Imagine you're walking Bean through the park, and you look over and you see Wimby sketching. It feels like a figment. You know what I mean? It doesn't feel real. It doesn't feel real, which is cool. I'm over here with my hands over my eyes like this. Exactly. I'm sorry to say, what now? Exactly. But I would, of course, go over and talk to him and build because we're both kind of the same guy at the end of the day. I wouldn't go that far.

[22:00] make you feel small it would be honestly it would be like every picture of us together for how long gone finally you would be me and wimby would be you and the only difference is i'm secure with being shorter and you know other people might not be who are you who the fuck are you talking about i don't know i don't i don't know nothing about that bitch i'm good i'm i feel real good okay no you are good i'm not talking about you i'm talking about those other bad people yeah you're talking about okay i just yeah i think when me and i would be able to build i like he he reminds me of um you [22:30] Jabbar energy, super tall, lanky, but also, you know, probably Loki laying a little piszeye, and he's spiritual AF. He's giving Buddhism down. The pictures of him training with the monks are also... I just like when an athlete is a total freak, because they have to, like... [22:49] You only have one calling in life. So any of this other stuff is truly just to please yourself. Do you know what I mean? It's not like Wimby's going to turn one of his weird hobbies into a job. He has $100 million. He never has to work again. It's all good. So I feel the purism of it all sort of I like personally. Yeah. Whatever he's doing is only because he wants to, not because it's the right move.

[23:19] I'm trying to think of who's the guy on the Lakers. Oh, Kuzma. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thinking about dropping 3.4 on Rothy's with Kuzma. You know, he's over here like, I'm going to... [23:29] Probably try to get better at doing the splits, work on my bonsai, and then get my resting heart rate down before I have a dope meal. You should taste my matcha. I've gotten really good with the whisk. Yeah, that's 100% what he's doing. Please come in. I'd love to share an offering with you. Yeah, exactly. I appreciate the dedication of hobbies, but I do feel like if they win on Saturday... [23:49] And I, [23:50] I think there could be a riot. I actually think it's stay inside time. Bar Oliver might get lit on fire. You know what I mean? So they could win. They're up 3-1. They could win on Saturday. I'm going to be flying into New York on Sunday. Shout out to our friends at FX's The Bear. More on that next week. Yeah. [24:10] I could, you know, the plane is going to be, you know, approaching JFK. [24:15] And the pilot's going to be like, nah. Yeah, turn this shit around. We're going to Baltimore. [24:20] That place is already burned down. Exactly. It burns down once a week. Yeah, they're like, we're going to have to divert to Philly, and everyone on the plane is like, no. Anything but that. We'll take our chances with the fire. I think it'll be – hopefully it'll be okay. But I think that the pure excitement and the bringing everybody together thing, I'm like, all right, guys, relax. Like, I don't know. I mean, I see both sides, but the excitement – and I think all of the stuff about, like – [24:46] you're not a real fan, dude, shut the fuck up. If you pay New York City rent, to me, you're allowed to root for the team, whether you moved here a year ago or 30 years ago or you were born there. That seems fair to me. You know what I mean? I don't think you need to wear a custom T-shirt that says Stevie Nicks. You know what I'm saying? There's a line, but I just mean, I think that this sort of fan shaming when it's something that everybody's so excited about feels misplaced to me. Yeah, it's the same thing as shaming somebody

[25:16] a newfound fan of harry potter or some or star wars or something like that it's just at that point it's sort of public domain for anyone to enjoy as much as i like there's nothing niche about it whatsoever yeah as long as much like to say you wasn't there you know etc i just think with with a oh you started listening to taylor after love story yeah yeah yeah it's like oh yeah fuck out of my face [25:46] Obscure anything. Obscure anything. Oh, you just found out about Catharsis. I guess you weren't there. But I don't think that applies to one of the world's biggest sports franchises that is in the biggest city, the most important city in the world. That just seems a little misplaced to me. I agree. I agree. Yeah, what do you think about the Stevie Nicks... [26:05] heim sister shirt of it all people are mad that taylor swift is a fair weather nicks fan because two weeks ago she was in oklahoma rooting against the nicks with her husband or i mean her fiance well once you're i think once you're rich enough uh and you're a citizen of the world she is a homeowner in new york and a resident in new york so she's allowed to whereas she's just there supporting her oafish man right yeah i think that i would i would say that's the division there i [26:35] even watched in the game he's got a korean corndog in each hand he's so happy he has his favorite music on in his headphones travis kelsey is the kind of guy to sit courtside with like a beer helmet on you know what i mean just so he can free his hands to eat more and look at his phone but i mean the dj khaled on his phone shit is so amazing that's still my favorite thing so far of this like every single time they cut to him in in game three he was on his phone every single

[27:05] there's so many people who need that seat more than him it's bullshit get a real sports fan in there doesn't have to be a knicks fan just somebody who wants to watch the game who will maybe pay attention to the game while it's happening right in front of you for crane i think the problem is dj callad himself you're not watching southern charm reruns at home get your hands off the phone he's never been physically able to play a sport so i think maybe he doesn't understand like what's going on in front of him you know i mean i don't get [27:35] You know what I mean? If you're doing it like- For him, yeah, he's moving. He's moving a lot more than I got to move. Exactly. So I do- When I go around the back, you know what I mean? Because when I got the kettlebell and I'm kind of doing around the world, so I kind of have the motion. When he's going around the back, it's a whole operation for him. He's got a lot of real estate to navigate. This is technically a time where the term big back can be used literally, I think, in this. Yeah, throw a fucking tape measure down on that thing. We're going to max her out. We're going to max her. The floor can't handle so much. [28:05] You can't take it no more, Captain. But it is bringing people together, which I guess is a good thing. But it reminds me when people say the marathon's the best day in New York. It's like, why? Because it fucks up traffic? What's the best? Because other people are accomplishing their lifelong goal of completing a marathon, and you're cheering them on with a cup of water. Wow, it's so great. It's the best day of the year because it makes all of our underprivileged minorities really hard to get to work and feed their family every day. You think that's good, guys? Jesus, fuck.

[28:35] Exactly. I personally have some thoughts also speaking of sports shout out to friend of the show Adam Freeland. That was he has a [28:43] soccer podcast with the ringer and i was thinking about [28:47] about a guy who gets into soccer because of the Adam Friedland show? Do you think there's any true organic conversions where they're like, you know what, I'm going to give soccer a chance because of this, and it actually works? I think there are people that listen to Adam Friedland that have truly never been exposed to sports unless it's a video game. That's what I'm thinking. Because normally the Ringer, they're kind of preaching to the choir. They already have the sports content for sports fans. He's being acquired by the Ringer Network to bring in new... [29:17] you know, toxic, dark, woke... [29:19] left-center sports enthusiasts? I mean, this is the smartest thing. Non-sports enthusiasts? This is the smartest thing the Ringer could do because it's dork city over there, and this is a different kind of dork city that is so close to the border of cool that it overlaps occasionally. And I think this is a smart, smart way to branch out. I know that... [29:40] there's some thinking that like this is going to neuter him or whatever but i i don't think adam can be neutered that's my real feelings like i i don't i i think he's a true freak whose flag must fly i don't think he can like he's not going to turn to call her daddy because he made a little more money no no i agree i think he's got enough integrity he won't do that happy for you adam well done i think also like the ringer network it's a bunch of talented people who with a good sense

[30:10] anything and he i think they need him to come in and you know have somebody make fun of bill simmons because he doesn't care like you know tease things and make fun of things in a way where it's not so you know the kid gloves everything's going to be okay kind of we're never going to get into a yeah a real sure little argument or something like that you know yeah i can't wait to hear i can't wait to hear him do three hours on scorsese's best scene or whatever you know that's really that's really what we're looking for over here at how long gone yeah um we're gonna [30:40] and dumber and do a live recap on the DVD. [30:47] DVD... [30:47] And also... [30:49] I've been hearing a lot of people, what was it? I was listening to Lauren Sherman and Jacob Gallagher. They were talking on her podcast, Fashion People, about... [30:59] like shows happening in LA, like the Hermes show and... Zinnia. The Zinnia. Dior. I feel like everyone in New York keeps obsessing and teasing LA with all the tropes that LA has, you know, the athleisure and the this and that and the smoothies and the Pilates, but... [31:18] At this point, that happens everywhere. That's happening just as much in New York. Why does New York hate LA so much, but they keep wanting to come here? Because it's nicer. Because it's nicer. Only in the... I'm trying to think of another example of like, we talk shit on this place so much, yeah, we can't stop going there. You know what I mean? I mean, I think I'm in one of those places kind of right now, a little bit. But I would...

[31:48] I've always said this. I don't, the cities are incomparable and to pit them against each other seems foolish to me. Like they're just so, they're so different. And I do think that like, sure. Like LA has smoothies and Pilates and people don't work, but guess what? New York has smoothies, Pilates and people that don't work. I think it's just a different, it's different types of people doing the same thing. And when you go to LA, I think New York is so hard to live in that, that you have to fire shots at a place that's doing similar stuff, [32:18] to live in. I'm saying it's misplaced, I would say, but I think that could be part of the reasoning. I just wonder if there's ever going to be a time where we get some singularity where [32:29] New York just stops caring about it so much. Well, I think that both cities care about each other too much. I think there is a... I mean, the classic, I'm too ugly for LA, I'm too dumb for New York or whatever thing is real. And I think that will never go away as much... Even if places evolve and change, it's sort of a historical... It's true. You know. And it's never going to freaking stop. [32:55] Do you have anything going on? I have a lot of questions for Paige DeSorbo. [32:59] to run through yeah page canceled page canceled on us for the second time so i'm able to come out and say that i'm officially team craig i was going to hold back i didn't want to endorse a candidate um at this so we were supposed to have page just de sorbo on the pod of giggly squad fame uh yeah summer house uh giggly squad uh the brand daphne um and several other uh ventures but she canceled us again and i think that might be the last time and i you know i i usually someone like that i do

[33:29] pretty fascinating in many ways um but i have to have some constitution just i have to i have to make how long gone kind of put down the boot you know sometimes it's like you can't keep coming back to the buffet you know what i mean two strikes and you're out mama yes yeah some people do three how long gone we do two yeah um it's a damn shame well i was curious and i wanted to ask you because i was thinking about it um [33:51] And also shout out to Katie, my brother's girlfriend. She's a Paige DeSorbo knower. And she gave me some little insights and stuff. She knows ball, as they say. She knows ball. She said, Jason is the Hannah and Chris is the Paige. Wow. I don't know what that means exactly, but I think our girlies will know. Yeah, that feels both right and wrong, but I think that's, yeah. No, I think it's right, Chris. Based on nothing, I think it's right. Well, okay. [34:21] She is not a fan of our close friend Shep and recent ayahuasca author. Well, Shep's coming back on the show. So we're team Craig and team Shep. Guys rule. How could we not be team guys from Charleston? Because a few more decisions, a few different decisions, and me and you are Craig and Shep, Jason. You know what I mean? Like you're kind of a guy with a surf shack and a little bit of family money and I got a sewing empire. That is not that crazy. That is not that crazy for us. [34:51] we're wearing some tan pants that are nylon material yeah bro and i've got a blue long sleeve hoodie shirt that covers my rear end a little little more than what time are we going to meet for the what time are we going to meet for the bar crawl you're 44 years old yeah yeah what time are you going to meet for the bar crawl i don't i see that those guys i feel related to because because of my southern heritage literally if i made a few different decisions and was better

[35:21] You know what I mean? Also, those kind of guys aren't that far off from an Orange County kind of guy. It's the same coin, different sides. Yeah, and it is a little unfair because for you, it's thinking like, you know, put down the... [35:34] put down the bubbler, put down the swisher and pick up the, you know, whatever they're doing out there, you know, pick up the Nerf beach football set. What's the game where you slap the ball on the net? You know what I mean? That's what they're doing. Put down the swisher and play the little slap trampoline bouncy beach ball. Your life would be in a different place. But me as a SoCal guy, I don't have to put down the bong to pick up the beach volleyball. I'm able to do both. Here's the thing, Jason, and this is a great point on your part. [36:04] Orange County is a bong. I think Charleston, South Carolina, more of a pipe. [36:08] classic head shop pipe hand blown of course hand blown oh don't get me wrong she's cute but i'm saying i think that that's how closely related these places could be the fishing the surfing the clothing the marijuana smoking disc sports disc sports the canned beer drinking these things are all in lockstep in many ways a little bit of a whites only flavor you know a lot of a lot of through lines but this this sort of leads me to believe or this sort of leads me [36:38] to wonder and ponder the question of all the times we've had a how long gone guest cancel last minute [36:46] How often are they male? How often are they female? Oh, wow.

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[40:06] the Road. We're playing shows this June and July in Rochester Hills, Michigan, Chautauqua, New York, Lafayette, New York, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Vienna, Virginia, Forest Hills, New York, Portland, Maine, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Memphis, Tennessee, LaGrange, Georgia, Charleston, South Carolina, Virginia Beach, Virginia, Wheeling, West Virginia, and Columbus, Ohio. Plus, there are [40:36] even mention here. So please go to wilkaworld.net to see the full list of dates. We'll see you on the road this summer. [40:44] you [40:45] The most famous one to me that stands out in my mind, the worst cancellation of all time was Steve Lacey 20 minutes after we were already on the Zoom. That is the most legendary. That's the worst cancellation of all time. Okay. Well, I mean... [41:00] Which category does Steve Lacey fit into, guy or girl? He's a guy. He's a guy. Even though he carries a St. Laurent bag and he is gay, he is a guy. But I would say that's the worst one. I mean, today, look, Paige, we got a three or four hour. That's honestly better than most, I feel like. You know what I mean? But Steve Lacey is the one that sticks out to me because it was literally like we were on the Zoom waiting for him. And so were his PR people. [41:30] he is and i'm like oh okay well i can guess where he is he's he's underneath somebody in malibu somewhere let's get him on the fucking phone you know like how like put down the fucking you put down the you know he's recording guitar into his iphone he can pick up the fucking computer it's fine looking for his frank ocean jewelry pinky ring underneath a guy's couch in topanga he's not going to be able to hop on the riverside call i dropped my homer somewhere behind the pollen pollen couch i don't know where it is my hand

[42:00] Hands and knees looking for my homer under my pollen. I think, sadly, and this doesn't look good for our gender, but I feel like it's men, Jason. I feel like it's men. I don't know exactly because I try to block these. Really? [42:14] I try to block these things out because it pisses me off so much as a Google calendar whore that likes my shit organized. But, you know, I think that... I guess we do kind of block them out of self-preservation. And that's such a male trait. But I do, I will say that I think that the last minute cancellations for how long gone do ramp up during the summer months. And I, because I think people are distracted. A little summer Friday fever kind of thing. They're traveling. Exactly. And someone like Paige, to her defense, she podcasts. She's got a lot going on. [42:44] She's making a lot of money. Does she need to do how long gone? Absolutely not. Does she want to do how long gone? Absolutely not. Did someone tell her that it would be fun and she should do it? Absolutely. But also, did she get a calendar invitation and say yes to it? Several times. [42:59] Several times. Okay, well, that's the problem. No, no, I agree. We get asked to do stuff all the time, and we either say yes, or we say no, or we just don't reply at all. We never say yes, and then don't do it. That's true, but I think that there is a level of fame. [43:15] and notoriety that is... [43:17] far below A-list, but [43:19] These kind of people, these sort of Bravo personalities are... [43:23] more famous than several musicians and actors you know what i mean like whole categories of people that we consider to be big musicians and actors giggly squad you know phoebe bridges is opening for her you know what i mean yeah big giggly squad is a huge successful podcast they sell at radio city they do xyz hannah has a great name too it is a great name it really is but i i think that there's a big you know page what i want to talk to her about today is she's been very pro beta

[43:53] And then recently on the... [43:56] on the summer house reunion, the two people that are in trouble [44:01] where West and Amanda were sitting on the couch like, you know, mute bumps on a log while they're just getting absolutely ravaged by their, you know, co-stars who hate them. And Andy Cohen, who's I've never seen Andy do this. He straight up has to ask West, are you on drugs? Like, are you on something right now? And I think instead of saying I snorted a bar and had a little a little JD before I came out here, he said he said beta blocker because that's the beta blockers to me feel like the acceptable. [44:31] of kid gloves version of xanax or ativan or other benzos that real ones would use it's like when i'm at tsa and they're like what is that i go cbd it's for my yeah exactly i get a little arthritis what is is that what is that oh that's not cocaine that's magnesium powder it's a simple you can do this all day it is the perfect crime and at any time you know what if every time they're like oh fuck trump fell asleep again during a press conference he'll be like ah beta blockers got me [45:01] You know, with my autism, I get a little nervous on camera. The problem with beta blockers, which I've never used one, I don't fully understand them. The best part about this whole thing is Ciara, the sort of victim in this Summerhouse story, is a nurse. And she was like, well, actually, beta blockers, blah, blah, blah, you know, breaks down their effects. I find that doing public-facing stuff, I think part of the fun and the excitement is the nerves that you feel. And I don't, I mean, obviously it's different.

[45:31] to get called an asshole for two and a half hours while Andy Cohen looks at note cards. And you're also not using gloves to do deadlifts at the gym. No, but I just mean, I feel like that's part of the whole thing. And that's kind of like, you don't get the payoff without the nerves. I like the nerves a little bit. And I think if you don't get them, it's sort of scary. It becomes a problem. Obviously, you want to get comfortable and loose out there, but you have to earn it. [45:59] Of course, we always have a shot of tequila before you go down on stage, that kind of thing. If you're too afraid of what one shot of tequila is going to do to you, [46:10] then maybe a beta blocker [46:12] is is the right move for you but also if that's the case maybe public speaking isn't right for you maybe get into something else but beta blockers are also their prescription correct like you can't go get these at at your local yeah they're not over the counter i think they're like they're they're definitely not hard to get it's a thing that you can get because i don't really know if it's a thing that gets like abused and sold it's more so just like i could find a way i think i could find a way it feels like something that i could take every day what is that amoxicillin [46:42] Yeah, but I do think the beta blocker conversation has become... It's particularly... [46:48] talked about in in like a certain sect of like reality show people because i think that they're just like they can't like if they log on to their instagram it's just people telling them to kill themselves and it's like if they go out in public like they get their photo taken by every person at the bar in line at the airport or at the wedding in italy so does that mean they're they're blocking betas

[47:10] like all day long or i'm not going to say all day long but i think that comes in waves where the betas need to be blocked to get through life like because it's so because i think that what i think it's like because these people aren't looked at as like quote-unquote actually famous you know what i mean like you will get literally heckled in the street the way that that would never happen to like brad pitt or whatever you know what i mean no one no one's screaming brad pitt's a deadbeat [47:40] throwing a bottle of water at him and calling him a cheater like that doesn't happen to real throwing an egg at his head just because he didn't like how he treated some uh summer yeah episode four season three exactly exactly so i do think the beta but i don't know people who i i feel like that's the most i've ever heard about beta blockers are on these programs whereas i know in real life people use them but it doesn't seem to be as um spoken about yeah i know that like who did who was [48:10] like [48:11] whatever severe mental issues that he had he kind of needed them to even just go up yeah and do 15 at you know the chuckle house in venice beach or whatever i think that's fine i mean in those situations if you're like i really love going up on stage and performing but i really you know it's not so much like i get nervous and i like flub a line and but it's more so like sometimes i like faint and i have to like go to the hospital then yeah let's block those let's block those betas but

[48:41] up there that's how you push through you want to you want to get loose because you warmed up yeah you don't want to get loose because you did a motherfucking pharmaceutical but i think if the options are i cannot do my job without this because i have so many problems versus like i need to take the edge off a little bit i think that's two different things but i i feel like if i'm gonna go if i sign up to go on tv and get called a bad person but i'm doing three million in brand deals [49:11] I do think it's, you got to nut up a little bit. Yeah, or also if everyone in the world is calling you a bad person, [49:17] Maybe fix it. Maybe stop being such a bad person. Or lean into the villain arc. That's what reality television is built on. If we didn't have these villains, we wouldn't have the heroes, Jason. Think about it that way. Yeah, give me a heel. Shake things up on a new episode of Traitors. Have you heard about Justin Trudeau's son? Yeah. [49:37] I meant to ask you about this earlier. Lil Trudy? No. Zav Trudeau, an R&B artist. [49:42] uh who is is performing now and he he looks like is there a more canadian r&b artist name than zav trudeau i am zav trudeau i grew up listening to the weekend and house of balloons is sort of my entire inspiration um but my question is with zav and his career blossoming do you think he's like hell yeah you know dad's dad's with katie perry now she can hook me up with max martin or do you think he's like you know i'm trying to i'm trying to forge my own path man i mean yeah my dad's a

[50:12] singer but [50:13] Me, Zav? Nah, bro. I'm not taking any fucking handouts. I think it really depends on whether or not, or how strongly he feels about nepotism and being labeled a Nepo person. Because, I mean, I guess when your dad is the Prime Minister of Canada, you don't really think that that's going to go too far in terms of him headlining Bonnaroo this year. It'll give him a little bit of juice, but not that much. I mean, Katy Perry in 2026, that association might hurt his career more than help. [50:43] No, Katy Perry can make some calls, though. I'm saying behind the scenes. Of course. Let's get Dr. Luke to send over the beat pack. You know what I mean? I'm not saying like... So more so it's like he's spent... [50:55] his whole life being the son of the prime minister of Canada. And now that he's finally out, he's a civilian, uh, [51:03] And now it's like, oh, God damn it. Now he's more famous than he was when he was the leader of a country. It's rare there's a hot leader of a country. You know what I mean? And this kid, Zav, is quite good looking. I mean, he's got the stupid TikTok haircut and shit, but he's a good looking guy. Like he could be successful. I mean, a young Saddam Hussein daddy. Oh, I always say that. I'm so glad that you said it. So I didn't have to. I'm so glad you said I did. Well, have you listened to the music yet? [51:28] zav trudeau's offering i think put put a zav song at the end of the episode and we'll let the people decide i don't know if i have it i have not had a chance to listen i'll play one right here i have i have not had a chance to listen to zav yet

[51:58] Javier, so based. Just because. I learned about them on the Popcast. Modern R&B is not my preferred genre, as you know. Also, does Zav Trudeau might just go by Zav? I think Zav Trudeau sounds sick. I think the thing he's got going for him the most is his name being Zav Trudeau. It sounds fake. His number one song on Spotify is called Till the Night's Done. Oh, hell yeah. What, do you think that was about going rounds? He's going rounds and he's going rounds on the bag. That's what it sounds like to me. [52:28] Bro, you grew up in Montreal. They give you coke at birth. Like, that's one of the most... I mean, you have to party if you are in Montreal. That's part of the deal. Well, his Spotify bio... [52:39] Zav is a Canadian R&B artist blending smooth melodies, moody production with honest lyricism. He's also the son of former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. We need to get Jacques Greene on that. I bet Jacques Greene's already done a remix. Do you think that there's a Que Trinata, you know, re-edit? Well, I hope, okay, his debut single, Till the Night's Done, shows influences, obviously, of Drake, Don Tolliver, and Bryson Tiller. Uh-oh. [53:09] Yeah. [53:09] direction you know maybe he's gone a little bit more you know a vibe that we're more into a little more of a joe buttons r&b versus you know a steve lacy's version of r&b yeah this does feel like a sleeper ice would have played in 2024 based on the disc he's kind of he's like i'm he's the white nav hopefully i don't know this is cool i think this is i i like the fact that he's kind of doing his own thing and bucking tradition he's not going into politics he said dad you leave all that shit

[53:39] one of the worst artists to ever walk the earth dad i'm a road man i'm going i'm going to vancouver and then calgary and then ottawa on my summer tour this isn't a fucking phase dad ovos for life i wear this sweatsuit with pride okay happy for zavvy he does uh he does look like a nice man once you get your monthly listeners up come on the pod zav i mean zav and nav he's he's giving i'll have zav i'll have zav any day zav we need to be on the ground floor of this also yeah i just went [54:09] It really kind of cut through some of that hummus-ness. The humiosity of it all. [54:16] I wanted to tell you that I got pulled over yesterday. This is going to affect the how long on tour. Yeah. Well, honestly, so I'm in this this BMW X5 that is a very nice car, but it's a shade of class. It's a shade of blue that is noticeable. And I didn't know this, but M5 is it? I've never gotten more. [54:36] I've never had more people talk to me about a car in my entire life. Like guys want to talk about the M5 and ask me about it. And you've driven all over this fine country in an orange Aston Martin and other similarly kind of peacocky vehicles. Insane, expensive, fast, brightly colored cars are sort of my niche in the tri-state area. And guys have, I mean, I'm talking a guy in the gym saw me get out of the car, came up to me in the gym like 30 minutes later to talk about it. [55:06] want to know just like how does how does it feel how does it feel i think it's one of those cars that like is barely out like it's barely on the market so i think it's like if you're a bmw guy you haven't really seen it maybe or you haven't whatever so they're talking to me about paddle shifting so people are like um who are you and tell me everything why do you have this how did you steal this from so yesterday i did i did a move that i think of as you'll understand this

[55:36] lane is let's say five cars in front of you so you just kind of edge out there's no one coming you cross the yellow lines you get in the turn lane you know i'm talking about i know what you're talking about this is a classic thing that everybody does i did this i passed a police officer i make my left turn he lights me up [55:53] he lights me up in the x5 i'm obviously i'm not riding dirty um and i i pull over and this time you did pull over okay this time i pulled over i had to give chase i could have outrun him in the x5 in the m5 and the m5 but so i um i i get my license out the cop walks up and this motherfucker is maybe 22 and the first thing i thought of was this is going to ruin the world tour he's never [56:23] do this you can be 22 you live in paradise you're a cop that only pulls over rich guys that are drunk driving that's the whole job here and i was like oh wow this really is you're on your third can of ghost creatine literally this guy had three empty white monsters in the fucking passenger side no question but i was blown away he was very nice he gave me a warning it was all good but i was like wow the cops out here really are that fucking young because it's it's so sleepy but it's so [56:53] people with tickets all day long what are you going to do about it i'm not gonna i'm not gonna you're not gonna spend the night in jail but i'm gonna hit you with the little yeah 396 dollar ticket exactly but i was just happy that i wasn't trying to you know red line the m5 i was doing i was just doing a classic turn that i thought was fine but he did let me know that crossing the double lines is illegal did you did you look did you see him at all when you were committing no i

[57:23] Luckily, Alex hadn't had any white wine at any of these fucking farm stands. So there was nothing smelled in the car. It was all above board. He was like, what is that? It was just Gouda cheese tasting over at the bottom of the River Bottom Ranch. Cheese tasting. Oh, yeah. We were at Amber Waves, and they had a new cheddar. They told me I had to try it. You know what I mean? I'm sorry you can smell it on my breath, Officer. I'm willing to blow in the cheese test. Basically, just this place in Stissinghouse is the only guys who can get it right now. So you got to understand, Officer. [57:53] because I was like, as soon as we... [57:56] pulled off alex was like just gonna ruin the world tour it's that we both thought the exact same thing when we saw how young the young the cop was it was crazy it was really crazy okay well anyway shout out to you copper for just giving him a warning and chris will never do that again he promises i'll never do that again i was i was actually very worried about a little dewey because i was talking to adam phase and he was talking about park city he's been there for sundance of course of course and he was saying you know watch out for the the duis over there because the alcohol [58:26] that you gotta blow is much lower. And then also the altitude makes you even more drunk. So, you know, you can just have like one drink and still blow over and there's nothing else to do [58:38] out there except you know drink and drive and and cops are just pulling people over so i was very nervous but nothing bad happened i had a couple smokies on my tail here and there but you know scot-free well i mean shout out to my radar detection i used to be so scared of cops because i always had something on me that was illegal yeah and now that i now that i don't i'm like search me bitch i'm wearing sandals what are you gonna what the fuck do you think you're gonna find in here you know well the secret is to drive with that mentality while you have drugs on

[59:08] you oh i know jason i know but i i i'm aware of that but unfortunately this is as close as i'm gonna get so if you just let me live live on the edge please i'd really appreciate it i really i was like when you asked me if you could roll my spliff for me let me just roll it for you now i just roll it i'm getting a little look i'm getting a little this is probably not you're like oh man i'll suck your knee you were like would that be okay and i was like no would that be okay it wouldn't be okay or would it chris well i'm excited you're coming to the [59:38] It's going to be great. I think it's a good time to be a visitor. I think the weather's going to be hot, but not unbelievable. So the streets will be alive. You can sit outside at Ledeve for some tartare and a cold white. I'm good. [59:53] How long are you staying? I think Sunday to Thursday or Friday. Oh, that's a stretch. Four days. That's a stretch. I think maybe four nights, yeah. It's a little bit of a stretch. I know you'd like to come home a little earlier if you could, but, you know. No, no, no, no. I mean, I would like to be home. I love home, but, you know, the Nine Orchard, they make it so easy. I love home. Yeah, I actually, Nine Orchard, we shot Big Cheetal at Nine Orchard. Yeah, you just shot John Cheetal. I saw the photos today. It looks great. [1:00:23] Thank you. Don Cheadle. Thank you. But he looked like, it looked, that room, the second floor at 9 O'Trade, I didn't know that existed. And then we got in there and I was like, wow, this is a really great room with the fireplace and shit. Like, I've never stayed there. I've never really, you know, I've eaten there and hung out there, but I've never stayed in a room there. I've been to the second floor. So I was happy to discover it. It's a great room, isn't it? It's a great room. I feel like I get a lot of emailing done there. You know what I mean? Yeah, all the coffee you could slurp. Yeah, I was actually, I just remembered right now on the plane back from,

[1:00:53] Like there's a group of kind of like annoying rich people. [1:00:57] And they were wearing like sparkly, you know, when like the, the, the woman of the family, the, the matriarch of the family is wearing like a, a denim jacket that is like custom sparkly sequence kind of thing just to let people know that you're a little crazy and dazzling. Yeah, I do. I do. So it was a group. It was like her, her husband and her gay. And she was like, Oh, we got here so early. I don't, I don't know what we're going to do until we got to go to the bowl later. [1:01:23] And she, they flew just to see Rod Stewart at the Hollywood Bowl, which is really good. That's awesome. That's awesome. Rich person in your 65. But you know when you're around rich people, when they refer to... [1:01:36] this is the blank house this is the yes yes yes so she was like can we maybe i can just take a nap at the burbank house until until the rod stewart show doors are at 6 30 it's four right now and he's like i've got i can get keys to the burbank house the burbank house is i want i want to be there the burbank house is a good name for your first solo album i think i think that's like your harry's house no no that's that's my that's my guys only sort of like oh this is your dallas

[1:02:06] I was thinking more of like a halfway house, you know, like my secret place kind of vibe. I get that. Just for wayward teens. I think that wayward teens... [1:02:18] do kind of belong in Burbank. That seems like a safe place for a wayward teen. You know, they used to say it was the palace, when Palace first launched, it was the palace house for wayward boys, is what their flop house was called, where all the skaters lived. Oh, right. That was their baker mansion. Yeah, exactly. There's a... [1:02:36] There's a precedent for this is what I'm trying to say. Okay, what do you think about people saying that Taylor Swift sitting courtside... [1:02:45] Now that she's sort of dressed in just like a t-shirt. [1:02:49] in jeans versus, you know, the toddlers and tiaras fit or, you know, the Burlington Coat Factory ass fit that she's wearing. People are like, they're, they're remembering that [1:02:59] that she could be hot. [1:03:01] They're finding her attractive. They're like, wait a minute, hold on. Taylor's actually like low-key in eight. I mean, I think she's always been low-key in eight. It's just like, does that make- But we've forgotten about it because she's presented herself in such a way. I've never forgotten. But I'm just saying, I don't want to give that to her because there's too much working against her, personality-wise. It makes sense to me because I agree with you. It's not like she's an ugly person, but I don't know if anyone talks about her being hot ever. They don't because that's not, and I think she's done a good job at minimizing her. [1:03:31] sort of classic good looks, you know? Do you think she intentionally minimized her being hot? What woman would do that?

[1:03:37] Only from the mind of Taylor Swift? Well, I think that her whole game is being as relatable as possible. Same reason why she's not wearing like, you know, runway outfit. You know, she's not wearing Schiaparelli to perform because it's like, I want to be relatable. I want to wear Kohl's. I want to look like pretty, but kind of plain because that I can retain my girl next door. She's got the Chanel bag, but it's only the $2,000 one. Yeah. She doesn't have the big flap. She doesn't have the French soccer team one. She doesn't got the big boy. She ain't got the... [1:04:07] Okay, what's gayer? [1:04:08] a team full of [1:04:10] professional athletes all carrying like sparkly birkins what team was that it was i think it was the french world cup yeah i think it was that's what's up how do you feel about that i mean because there's like in terms of like travel luggage there's the hierarchy there's the really extreme people who will send me dms every once in a while about how like a real man can't have a suitcase you have to carry the duffel bag over the shoulders and okay david okay david coggins [1:04:40] fool anybody yeah yeah i ran the ip address coggins come on if you have a if you have a perfectly patinaed filson over the shoulder i have to say when i was bringing i was traveling with david coggins we were fly fishing in primland in virginia i will say he he he walks it like he talks it he had two giant duffel bags with all of his gear in it they were patagonia they were very specific kind of patagonia bag that was very cool that he finds on ebay i want to give him his

[1:05:10] I will die. I want my coffin to be a Remova, if possible, but I understand. I see his side of things. I do, too. Also, [1:05:20] You know, Coggins, if you're really going to do it, I feel like it has to be [1:05:23] The duffel bags have to be leather. I don't think you can do a rip stop. No, I think for fishing, it makes sense. For fishing, okay, fine. I think for fishing, it makes sense. But I think normally, there's also this amazing, like a friend of mine, Chris Wallace, who's like a travel writer, photographer, he posts his rig, and he's got this beautiful Gurkha duffel bag, which is this brand that's been around forever that makes these amazing duffel bags. Gurkha? Leather, yeah, G-H-U-R-K-A. And then he pairs that with the Globetrotter roller, [1:05:53] which is sort of like a [1:05:55] uh and i love globe trotter too beautiful suitcase it's sort of the only alternative to the remova if you're interested in that kind of bag and i like his i like his he's the only rig i'm jealous of but he's also going to like nerobe okay the the the globe trotter that's the one where it kind of looks like a little steamer trunk with the leather straps exactly side kind of thing exactly exactly beautiful beautiful suitcase beautiful suitcase but the what color would you just do all black with that because every time i see those in the airport they look [1:06:25] Victorian adorned kind of vibe. I think you can get them custom. I think you can put your initials on them. But the Gurkha leather duffel bag is the best sort of non-designer because it's a classic. It's just like a classic. It looks sick. It comes in black. It comes in brown. I don't know. It's as good as it gets. It's as good as it gets for that kind of product, I think. Okay. I'm looking up the Gurkha right now. I see it. It's looking pretty nice. They're not cheap.

[1:06:48] They are not... Okay, sorry. So that is the one side of the spectrum. And then you work into the man bag where all these... Versace and Gucci and blah, blah, blah. They all make travelly, duffly bags that are sort of unisex or even male-leaning. Like a leather brown Gurkha or anything. You have the Louis duffel, which I think is pretty unisex at this point. But then when you cross over into... [1:07:18] the purple Birkin or like the hot pink, like Pharrell Louie purse, like ASAP Rocky kind of thing. What kind of fella can pull that off? [1:07:29] Do you have to be an ace? Do you have to be like a rapper that wears a thong on stage in order to pull off the hot pink Louis? I mean, the problem is I really like that big Chanel bag. I think it's really cool. I'm obviously not going to pull it off, but the big Chanel flap that like the athlete has or Rocky had there. But it's, I mean, the only people that carry these bags are guys that are too rich. Do you know what I mean? [1:07:59] or a gurka is reasonable but then you get into the bottega and that jumps three four thousand dollars the guy who's buying a two thousand dollar t-shirt a guy i'll never forget someone sent me there was a birkin a vintage men's birkin for sale that had stamped initials cb on it and i was like my god this is the only time i've ever wanted this because it feels like god's plan so the is the men the men's birkin it has like a little more softer features and the strap is a little

[1:08:29] ovary i don't even i don't even know i think it might just be bigger like i think it just might be actually the the big because like pharrell carries it like it's big enough to use as like a carry-on bag for like but i think that the carry-on bag for men thing has gotten into there's some wild stuff out there you know what i mean like i think that it's it's it feels like an an opportunity uh for men to sort of you know [1:08:53] Show off. [1:08:54] A little bit. And I don't know if that's a good thing. Men shouldn't show off. Lil Yachty does not need to show off any more than he already is. I don't know, man. I just don't. I'll answer the question. I think I saw Stefan Diggs with a hot pink Birkin. [1:09:09] I don't know why he pulls it off. Because he's got eight baby mamas and a fucking Rolls truck. That's why. In the same way where, like, you know, Cameron could pull off Pink. [1:09:21] But not really many other rappers can. And it is a certain level of swag. Yeah, I think it's a classic certain level of swag case. Like where I can't, I don't want to give a blanket statement because there are people that can do it. It's just not me or you. Okay. And what do you think about A$AP Rocky's thong? Is that a real photo? Or do you think DJ Academics is up to no good in the chat GPT prompts? I think both Academics is up to no good and it's real. That's what I think. [1:09:51] I think that ASAP Rocky would wear a Chanel thong. I would not put that past him. I also wouldn't put it past DJ Academics to manufacture that photo with one of his crack teams in India. Stir up some mess where it didn't need to happen. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I guess Rocky, if you want to wear a thong, go for it.

[1:10:15] And I think him wearing it at home, you know, when Riri's out at Giorgio Baldi with the girls and he's just at home, he could put the thong on for a few hours because he likes how it feels. But I think when you wear it on stage, jump up and down and you expose your midriff and expose your bare ass, you're sort of... [1:10:36] Telling the world, I want you to know [1:10:39] that I'm, you know, I'm thongy. I disagree. I disagree. I mean, I think it's just a simple mishap, like Rocky, five seconds. You know, what do you mean? We don't have time to change out of your thong. Get out of here on stage. And he's like, oh shit, I forgot I'm wearing my thong. I think he knows that the thong is going to do more for us than his music. And I think that's part of the, it's a distraction from the lack of hits. That's why he's going to keep having anything he can do to not get us to talk about the music is the goal. [1:11:09] He's taking a page out of Tyler's book. Very nice. Exactly. Water. All right. How long gone? Thank you for listening. If you're a member of the Giggly Squad, you're dead to us. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And I'm going to explore. I wrote down, the only note I wrote down was Rimova Coffin. Speaking of chat GPD prompts, I think this is something, I'm not saying you're going to die soon, but I think it's good to just get the ball rolling on this process. I agree, because the prices are only going up. You know what I mean? And I want the blue lining. I want the pre-LVMH lining. [1:11:39] Blue lining, glad I asked. It might be. Not because I'm a crip, but just because it's the original. You know what I mean? It's the original. Well, a queen like you knows that'll make your eyes pop, huh? Exactly. Even when you're six feet. All right. Jesus, thank you for listening. We'll talk to you guys soon. Bye-bye.

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