Ep 195: Dumb B!tch Hour. Tariffs and "Walter Bloomberg," Llama 4 Launch, DOJ and Crypto Enforcement, Sabrina Carpenter Fortnite, Data Centers in Space, Katy Perry in Space, Bon Iver and AI Jesus

[00:01] Dumb Shower is a weekly live chat on all things tech, crypto and pop culture news brought to you by Boys Club, a New York based media and creative studio. DBH is hosted by myself, Deena Burke and Natasha Hoskins. Hi. Co-founders, marketers and entrepreneurs that have built our careers in new tech and startups. We're also proudly the dumbest in the room and we love to learn in public. DBH is recorded live and best consumed as a video podcast. Here's this week's show. [00:31] you [00:34] Welcome to Dumb Bitch Hour. This is an hour of the week where we cover tech news and do it with our friends and... [00:45] Tech news is, [00:46] Maybe like a generous... [00:48] way of describing what we're going to talk about but there's some smart stuff in here and there's also some [00:53] dumb stuff in here as well. It's tech pop culture. Okay. Tech pop culture. We're going to start to have some more, um, like beats. Like I think like billionaires is like a great beat. Gen Z interns on social is a great beat for us. Um, [01:08] So anyway, I'm Natasha. I'm Dina. Hi. Okay. Agenda for today. We are going to talk about the tariffs, the tariff turnaround, tariff tantrum and turnaround. We're going to talk about Llama 4. There's some news from the world of crypto about the cryptocurrency enforcement efforts. Sabrina Carpenter joins Fortnite. I'm really excited about this one. I have no, I've only seen the videos. It's a really fun story. It's a really fun story. We're going to talk about Gen Z

[01:38] us on social media and then data centers in space, a really fun one, and then some quick hits at the end. So that's our agenda. [01:46] for today. Before we get started, we have the Net Gala coming up. [01:50] with Polygon. [01:52] in a couple of weeks. [01:53] May 2nd in [01:55] Brooklyn, you can, our pinned tweet, [01:58] and bio link is where you can request an rsvp we it's all in support of the lower east side girls club which is an incredible organization that um works with youth [02:10] primarily young women in [02:14] mostly the lower manhattan they do a ton of amazing work there we love them we've done a bunch of events with them um so all proceeds to this for this event are going to them and it's going to be a really fun night we're going to have more information on co-chairs and things like that next week the theme this year is bet [02:33] I got a few text messages yesterday being like the girlies are wondering what that means for them and their look. And don't you worry. Kate's going to be back next week and she's going to run through some... [02:47] some slide decks with some thoughts and feelings on looks. So it's really fun. Last year was an absolute blast. Uh, if you were there, you know, and, uh, RSVPs are limited. So if you want to get an RSVP, uh, today's your day. [03:01] I would say. Really stays your day. Yeah. So jump in. [03:05] We're going to have, we're finalizing our list of co-chairs and different artists and friends that are coming in on the event as well. So really excited to share those soon too. And I got my jorts ready.

[03:19] You got your jorts? I feel... I got my jorts ready to go. I have a gripe. I have a gripe that I need to raise here. [03:26] I love Kate. [03:28] But I feel left out because we used to bond over like, what are we wearing? What are we going to do? And now it's been a one-sided conversation where I'm sending so many options and like different looks. Yeah. And like nothing, nothing for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. I hear, heard, heard. Thank you. Thank you so much for raising your feeling on that. Here's... [03:55] why I go to Kate, why I have been going to Kate direct to on the fashion front. She is a [04:02] She's generative. [04:04] So I'll bring her something and she'll be like, here's a link to buy the, here's three links to buy these different alternatives. [04:12] yeah that you might like so that's all i felt i was generative but you're really generative when [04:21] your generative feedback but like i've been like a little bit outsourcing the work to her where i'm like i needed i'm interested in a jort silhouette [04:28] Yeah. [04:29] where should i turn and she she'll be like here's three where shall i go yeah um i will say pop link she said she sent me like a weird wow okay whoa that's deep that's deep um so i will i'm gonna bring you into the fold i'm gonna share with you i'd really love that i'd really love that um miranda's been extremely generative for me she's thrown some incredible options my way i think i've landed on something but your response was like you must 1000 commit or you can't wear

[04:59] this weekend. Guess where from? [05:03] like Revolve or something? No, you know... [05:07] where this is from. It's a little shocking because it's for an event, but it's mentioned every live stream. [05:14] Skims. [05:15] Okay, so she has like, you have like the long body con dress coming. [05:21] Yeah. Well, it's actually from their wedding collection. Okay. Great. Miranda sent it to me. She was like, this is kind of cool. I don't know. I think it might read to lingerie. I think it's going to maybe it needs to be like worked on. Is it like nude? Is it a nude? A naked dress? It's a nude dress. So there's like some work that needs to happen to make it work. Anyway. So if that, that comes this weekend could change things for me in terms of what I'm wearing. But anyway, I'd like to be pulled into the fold. Also, if you [05:50] are looking for [05:51] Feedback. [05:52] jump into the discord nothing we love more than talking about what we could potentially wear so can't wait to see you there um [06:00] The other thing I was going to say about the Net Gala. Oh, so last year we raised $5,000 for the Lower Side Girls Club. We want to raise more this year. And so that's really, we're full court press. We have some really fun activations that we're going to be doing at the event to try and raise money. But also there's donations that are happening at the, when you register for a ticket, donations are optional. You don't have to donate, but it'd be great if you did.

[06:30] - Of course. [06:31] We will take it all. And a hundred percent of it is going to the Lower East Side Girls Club. So that's that. Also shout out to, um, mesh, the dude that mesh, they have been so great to work with. They're our ticketing partner and they are also donating their processing fees to the Lower East Side Girls Club. So, [06:48] So very cool move on their part. Very cool move. Very cool move. Okay. Let's get into it. We're going to talk about the tariffs to start. [06:56] um, [06:57] I can't, you can't turn a corner. [07:01] these days without getting stuck with some tariff tweets, tariff news. It's really a lot. Girl, the tariffs. For real. For real. It's been a crazy few days, a historic few days. So I'm just going to do a quick briefing. I know folks probably have gotten a lot of news on this, and I don't know how much you want to hear about it from us, but I think just some grounding, and then we can have a conversation about it. So yesterday, basically, 12 hours after launching a trade war, essentially, [07:31] And, [07:32] putting the Liberation Day reciprocal tariffs into effect. Those went into effect yesterday. Later in the day, Donald Trump called it off. The [07:42] Reciprocal tariffs were put on a 90-day pause. This was announced in a truth social post and the markets, it was green everywhere. Truly like crazy day for the markets in terms of recovery, quote unquote recovery. So the S&P 500 was up 10%, which is the most since 2008. The Nasdaq had its biggest one-day rise since 2001. All the Asian markets are up. And this is after Monday

[08:12] that it was like the world is ending is what I felt like. Question. The China tariffs are still. Yes. Okay. There's major tariffs that are still in place, but basically like the reciprocal tariffs went into effect. Yeah. [08:24] markets basically essentially crashed. They were crashing out. And then, um, [08:30] Wednesday, yesterday, the reciprocal tariffs, most of the reciprocal tariffs were paused for 90 days and the markets recovered. Though I will say that there is still an incredible amount of uncertainty that [08:45] It remains. That is really like the story here. But yes, the tariffs that remain are... [08:51] there's still this 10% tariff. [08:54] across the board and then a 25 tariff for a lot of goods that are imported from uh canada and mexico and then as of this morning uh 145 tariff [09:05] on China. China is good, which is if effectively just halts the trade. And it's kind of the situation with China. Oh, my light just went up. The situation with China is like, [09:15] it's just escalating. And a lot of folks are like, I don't know how this starts, how this deescalates at this point where everyone's like this morning was 125% and they're like, [09:24] today Trump was like 145%. And so it's just kind of this escalating thing that is frightening. Now, [09:31] That's like the basics of the story. Um, [09:34] Everyone's like, why? What? [09:36] changed Trump's mind yesterday or in the days between Monday and when he paused the tariffs. And the biggest sort of rumor is that basically the bond market broke, like the Treasury's market

[09:51] broke the charts of how the stock market and the bond market, like they're supposed to look a certain way. Like they're supposed to look when stocks go up, treasury yields go down or whatever. Like there's like this, this pattern that between the two, yeah, there's a relationship between the two that is, is supposed to be there. And, um, I think something happened on Tuesday where the bonds, [10:14] which are supposed to be a really safe asset, were being sold off. And it was really unclear what was happening and where they're being sold off. But basically that chart broke. And so everyone was saying that, or the rumors are basically that, [10:29] that was like [10:31] a huge... [10:33] signal and like the the [10:36] what would have eventually happened would have need to be like a bailout essentially. And that would have been like game over for Trump. So that's what people are saying is the reason that [10:46] he pulled the reciprocal tariffs or he paused the reciprocal tariffs. Then of course the White House and Trump and his friends were all like, no, this is just like art of the deal. This is 40 chess. Like we all, we had planned this whole thing. Like he's a master negotiator and like we knew this was going to happen all along. So who knows if that's true. But I think the one thing that is remains is like just a lack of [11:11] trust and certainty, like that's, that's been eviscerated now. And like the CEO community, as you mentioned, like just a hilarious way to talk about how those people are like, there's now a, a, a,

[11:25] even if the market's recovered in the short term, like there's not only these tariffs that are still in place, but also just like there's there's [11:32] just a huge amount of uncertainty on like what's going to happen next from a policy perspective. So that's sort of where things are left. I think like the market rally yesterday, [11:41] is going to be short-lived. I mean, I think already today markets are down. So I think like folks need to take that with [11:48] that performance with a grain of salt. [11:51] Yeah, a few thoughts from me. One, I was going to talk about the CEO community. I absolutely love that as a framing for a group of people. It's just absolutely insane. [12:04] And curious how much of like those frantic calls and pressure from all of these CEOs who were down so bad on Monday, how much they were able to actually like, [12:15] get in the ear of Trump and part of swinging him back to some sort of, um, sanity. And there's that. [12:24] the second thing that I like to think about is, um, I got an email from Mista who had a sample sale and they were like, the shoe company that I highly recommend M I I S T A. They're Spanish, right? Spaniard brand. Exactly. And so in the email, they're having a big sample sale in New York. Um, [12:46] alpha leak you guys should go check it out um but they were like [12:51] this year's sample sale was, [12:53] um, [12:53] the tariffs won't affect this year's sample sale. However, we can't make that promise moving forward. And I remember being like,

[13:02] i had i had a lot of concerns about the tariffs and the economy and like the our business and i was just like we were all kind of like spiraling around it but it [13:11] That was a moment for me as well, where I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? Like my sample sale is going to be affected. And I love the idea that something like that is what turned Trump. That he's like, wait, hold up. Right. [13:24] This doesn't work for me, actually. [13:29] Anyway, and then my last thought. [13:31] And this just comes from a place of... [13:34] exhaustion and frustration with the world is like, [13:39] I should just stop reading the news. [13:41] Like, I just, like, unsubscribe. Like, we just ended up in basically the same spot with, like, so... [13:48] much more. [13:50] turmoil and like, and like dust, [13:53] for so many people and so much stress and like yes that's not exactly true but i feel like in the era of trump and this news cycle like you need to protect your peace and like choose when and where and how you're going to be like engaging with the ups and downs of this new cycle because it's not i had a meeting with someone yesterday morning and i i on my way over to the meeting i was listening to a podcast and that was about the tariffs and so i was like in it and i was like in a [14:20] Spiral. Spiral. And I get out of the car, I park my car, and I walk into the meeting, and I'm like, the first thing, I'm just like, what do you think? Like, what are you doing about the tariffs? It was like...

[14:32] I was in a tariff cloud and I sat down and I like brought that to the meeting. And the guy that I was meeting with was like, what? I'm not like, not thinking about that at all. Like I literally like, no, I, I literally know I'm not there with you. I'm not going to come along into this little hysteria that you've whipped yourself up in. And I was like, cool. [14:52] Yeah. [14:53] I mean, [14:55] I think and he admitted he's like, I have an incredible amount of privilege to be able to say that. But I think that I could use a little bit of that privilege myself. Totally. Totally. Protect your peace. [15:09] Okay. This was just a funny tweet from Daisy from Dirt that I thought was funny around a pause on a 90 day on the 90 day pause on the tariffs and just a Cheeto in like a lock door lock, which is really funny. How fragile it is. Yeah. One note here. I do want to just quickly draw attention to Walter Bloomberg, who is my new favorite character. He... [15:36] is an anonymous Twitter account. [15:39] who has called themselves Walter Bloomberg. That's actually just their name on Twitter. Like their, their at handle is something else completely. So they've done some like [15:48] I don't know. [15:49] SEO work here, but they have this huge anonymous account where they're like, they, [15:55] constantly are tweeting like all caps news. It's kind of like a watcher guru. It's like just

[16:03] retweeting news and he does it in a, or they do it in a very particular style or it's all caps. Anyway, they, on Monday, uh, [16:13] posted that tariffs were paused. Okay. And there was a 90 day pause. Oh yeah. And then, um, [16:20] it was a rumor it wasn't true but the markets like went crazy it was like trillions of dollars of value that moved based on basically they tweeted it and then reuters picked it up and cnbc like it just it got like news laundered where all of a sudden [16:33] it got picked up by all these mainstream sources. And then it was like, Oh wait, this is happening because no one was like checking. [16:38] checking it, I guess. I don't know how that's possible. They were like checking it with him. And [16:45] I don't know, made it up. It was a crazy moment. And then, um, [16:51] And then the market stumped when everyone was like, oh, no, it was just like it came from this guy named Walter Bloomberg. It's like wasn't Bloomberg News that that was the source. Right. And but today, like he's vindicated. Yes. As of yesterday, he's vindicated because he it's true. The 90 day. [17:08] It's such an incredible subplot of the whole story. It really is. It really is. Okay. Anyway, moving on here. Llama 4. Okay. Llama 4 launched on Saturday. For those who are unfamiliar, Llama is meta AI's large language models. What differentiates them amongst many other things, but the main one is that it is an open source large language model.

[17:38] I'm out of here. [17:39] Um, this specific, um, [17:43] There's this new model, Model 4, has been there's been quite a bit of drama around it. It's been delayed, delayed, delayed several times. There's been a lot of speculation as to why it's been delayed and what's taking so long. There's some thinking that it had part of the delay had to do with Deep Seek and that launching and then sort of revisiting their model. [18:02] and then this launched this past saturday so there was some [18:06] discussion around like, okay, it's very weird to launch something on Saturday. Like, what is that about? And basically there's two models that were released in this and then two more that they're saying are on the way. [18:16] Um, and some say that they launched it on Saturday because there was anticipation that there would be this Monday market crash and, um, they wanted to avoid that being part of the news cycle essentially. And they're probably their stock price. Um, and others say that they wanted to kind of bury the launch because it's, uh, [18:38] Not great. Like, basically... [18:40] what oh okay keep hearing sorry oh okay i thought i i thought i um froze um yeah so basically like the the word on the street the word on twitter is people are not happy with this model and they don't think that it's very good um [18:52] Some would say that there's mixed reviews, but I saw a lot of like the model is huge. It's slop machines. And then there was this, if we go to the next slide. [19:04] There's talk of them basically like fudging benchmarks. So there are sort of these like open source tools that allow people to sort of test models and will rank the models based on how they do on these different various tests. That's like a major oversimplification of what they are. But it's a way for basically like people to get a sense of like how efficient or how smart these different models are.

[19:34] And they basically say like they got this score, this really high score that puts them just below OpenAI 4.0 model and just above Gemini 2.5 Pro model. So basically... [19:47] the press releases leads you to believe that it's going to be really efficient and very competitive. [19:54] And that's very, like, that's important for many reasons, but one of them because it is open source. [20:01] And then sort of what ends... [20:04] Coming out and becoming clear is that they were very strategic in the way that they tested this specific model and basically used like an experiment, experimental chat functionality that like is. [20:21] like all over the map like some people are like this is unusable some people are like this is amazing like a really unstable chat version for the test which gave them an outsized score of how good this model would actually be and it turns out that the [20:34] like the median of this model is nowhere near that. Which made people upset and made people like there's a distrust for meta and the way that they're talking about it when this sort of thing happens. Not good. Not good. Let me see here. My notes of the, um, [20:51] Yeah. [20:51] Okay. [20:52] And then the last thing I'll say here on on this is a few things. Meta plans to spend sixty five billion dollars this year to expand their infrastructure. [21:03] a huge investment into AI for...

[21:06] Meta. And this guy, Jeffrey Hubber, was on the Technology Brothers. And he had actually a really... [21:15] A lot of what I was reading was really negative. [21:18] And... [21:19] his perspective was really refreshing to basically say like open source models are going to play an incredibly important role. It's very important that you, [21:30] meta continues to develop these models and [21:33] there's a ton of um [21:36] There's a... [21:37] ton of [21:38] apps, infrastructure, [21:40] technology that's going to be developed on top of these models and that essentially like [21:46] don't bet against Zuck. Like, he has... Look at what he's done. He's going to figure it out. And people can be really negative about it. But this... [21:54] Meta is still bringing in... [21:56] and i think it's like 100 billion dollars a year for them this investment of 65 billion for a year of ai infrastructure makes a ton of sense even if the model is like a little wonky but not great not great for meta um interesting it's [22:08] A fascinating story because it, to me, like when they first came out, when the Lama story first started and they were first coming out with it and releasing the first models, like, [22:17] Everyone was so... [22:19] not congratulatory, like grateful to Meta. There was like a, wow, they're doing this open source. They're being so generous. Like this is something that's like really cool and out of step with how Meta usually operates. They're not trying to create this like walled garden. It's like, they're really... [22:35] building into the open source community, which is like cool, especially compared to some of the AI

[22:40] competitors. And I, [22:42] It's funny how that story has not stuck. Yeah. It's now a different story. And I think that that like just goes back to like, [22:52] people just don't trust Meta. [22:54] And they're looking for evidence of like ways that they're [22:56] being dishonest and fucking up. And that sucks. Totally. There's actually like another build to the story of like in this model, they released new licensing restrictions and there's a really good thread on those changes. Yeah. [23:10] And like a lot of the changes that are required of these licensing is like really... [23:16] not [23:17] in my opinion, a big deal. Like one of them is that you have to have like build with built with llama somewhere on your website or in your documentation or your interface, which feels like [23:28] Totally. [23:29] Yeah. A non, a nothing burger, in my opinion. [23:33] And like some... [23:36] uh brand guidelines around how you talk about llama as well one other part of it that people like we're talking about um is companies with more than 700 million monthly active users must request a special license from meta which meta can grant or deny as it's sold at its sole discretion and i'm like yeah if you have 700 million monthly active users like you have a giant business and [24:01] you need to get some permission from the model that you're using. So, [24:07] And, like, there was a lot of... [24:09] FUD around these changes, proving that they aren't in fact like they're moving away from open source or whatever. And yeah, they just have no goodwill, like no goodwill zero.

[24:20] zero um so that's llama four interesting um thank you so much i i feel i feel briefed um also i'm i [24:31] have some vibe coding apps that I have on my list and I might use Alma 4 for that. So cool. [24:40] Okay, quick one here. So yesterday, the news came out that the US Department of Justice has disbanded its crypto enforcement team, citing a direct order [24:52] from Trump and [24:55] I will say this story [24:57] on paper or perhaps when you first read it or when I first read it, I was like feeling very snarky about it. And I was like, okay. Open season on crime. Open season on crime. It's crime time. Like, like that was really my first impression. And I, [25:13] um honestly that's still my impression so excited okay let me change your mind let me run it so uh [25:20] Basically what happened is the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche sent this memo that basically it was like, we aren't the, the U S department of justice is not a digital assets regulator. We've been getting into that game. [25:35] And that's not our game. We are, we do need to be looking at, [25:40] And we should be focusing our efforts on looking at when crypto [25:44] is being used to fund terrorist groups when it's being used in

[25:50] criminal organizations and like it [25:54] elicit things in that nature, but like regulating it as us coming in as regulation by enforcement or whatever is that's not our job. And so... [26:06] um [26:07] Yeah. Let me just read out here. Those who try to use crypto to further criminal schemes like terrorism, narcotics, and human trafficking, organized crime, hacking, and cartel and gang financing. So that's like, they're like, that's where we need to, if we're looking, that's where we need to be looking. And all these other things, like, that's not our business. I will say that. [26:25] It's not my game. [26:27] And they've also said explicitly they're not going to be pursuing enforcement against crypto exchanges, mixing and tumbling services or offline or wallets basically for the actions of their users or unwitting violations of regulations. So that is a departure from their policy previously. [26:47] The... [26:48] uh [26:50] The issue is this. [26:52] Tell me. This is actually... [26:55] I think. [26:57] Like really... [26:58] good news. And I think it's balanced [27:02] a balanced approach and I think that it's [27:06] I think it makes a lot of sense and I think it's objectively good for the crypto industry. And I think like those types of crimes, [27:13] are the crimes that we should be as an industry trying to eradicate. And like that, it's not good for anyone. It's not good for the industry. So,

[27:22] And I think everyone would agree. I don't think there's anyone that's like, yeah, no, we want to let like human trafficking and like, of course, everyone wants that to, to not. [27:31] be something that happens. [27:33] when people use crypto or fiat or whatever. [27:36] Thank you. [27:37] this is objectively good news what this story reflects is [27:42] the issue [27:43] When you have a sitting president that is... [27:48] dealing in this industry and launching things in this industry. So that immediately you read this and you're like, this is just self-serving. [27:55] This is a conflict of interest because Trump's just trying to protect his own business interests. [28:00] And a story like this gets clouded in – [28:05] that interpretation where you're like, okay, well, he's just doing it to protect whatever, whoever launched the Melania token, whoever launched the Trump token, whoever's doing Trump world liberty financial, it's just this self-serving thing. And so I think like, [28:18] And this is the, it's in these moments where I'm like, oh yeah, like there's a reason that we have like conflict of interest. [28:26] rules when it comes to business dealings because stuff like this, policy changes like this can happen and people don't like believe them. People don't want to get behind them. The story here is one that's like a negative story for most people and certainly for the crypto industry. Like a lot of people are reading it really, really negatively. I did at first and I work in this industry. And, but it's just a result of like Trump's weird, like hand in every pot type thing that, yeah, [28:51] um so anyway i i've changed my mind in the story but

[28:55] Curious headlines for you. No, totally. I, um, [28:59] I... [29:01] My mind has changed. I'm happy to hear. I'm happy to hear. I just my the one thing that comes for me up for me is like, it's never that black and white. [29:10] Like, [29:11] where does money laundering like sit and totally you know yeah um but i do think like [29:18] I think know thyself and like there should be a clarity around the lanes in which the justice department is, is, [29:26] prioritizing and what they think is their purview and what is not and that has not been the case for [29:32] the previous administration. So I do think like, [29:35] clarity, any version of it is going to produce better results than like the gray, like the [29:42] like murky land that we've all been living in. Um, so yeah, you've changed my mind successfully. Um, no problem. Okay. Uh, let's go to Sabrina Carpenter fortnight collab. Um, okay. This is a really fun story. Um, [29:59] So Sabrina Carpenter, for those... [30:02] who don't know. I don't know why you're here. Huge pop star, huge, [30:07] pop star, tiny little girl, great songs. Um, she, [30:11] has skins now available in Fortnite. So basically you can dress up as Sabrina Carpenter. You can take on her character playing Fortnite. [30:21] Most people know this, but Fortnite is a... [30:24] a massive massive business they did 4.4 billion dollars in 2024 and about 60 of that revenue is made up of skins so like a skin skins are a huge huge part of their business um i read somewhere that celebrities

[30:38] get five percent of the revenue on the skins because i'm always like why does why do celebrities do this like this is so cringe uh and then i'm like oh that's what the money's for um so it's a lot of money i thought this tweet was was very funny um this was like the crazy bump that happened i think when the fake tweet about the 90 day the first fake tweet of the 90 day tariffs happened and someone was like wait what just happened and someone said sabrina carpenter added a fortnight [31:08] Okay. [31:09] So what happened is these skins come out and basically they're, [31:13] i don't play game video games um but fortnite is like a like a game where you like shoot people [31:18] Basically, like you're like fighting. It's a fighting game. [31:21] I am sure someone in the comments is going to be like, what the fuck? But like, that's generally what's happening. And basically what happened is... [31:30] everybody who was dressing up in sabrina carpenter skins like started to refuse to kill each other and we're like starting these like big dance parties instead so like all of these like sabrina carpenters are in this game dancing and there's two i don't know if you can open up a video but like the video of it that's in it's in the um okay i might not be able to get there without risking uh i don't want to risk a desktop leak here okay okay um anyway there's like some videos that are [32:00] like so heartwarming of like someone dressed up in a Sabrina Carpenter skin that's like shooting people and running. And then they see like two other Sabrina Carpenters like hanging out and they're like, what? And they like run up to the little area with them and realize that they're just like chilling and having a dance party. And then they like put down their gun and start to dance and like other people start joining them. And so basically like the sentiment is like the girlies,

[32:30] came into fortnight and just like totally i love this story so much incredible incredible [32:37] Really good stuff. People need to go, um, like go just search like Sabrina Carpenter, like dancing and on Reddit or on Twitter. And you can see all these videos and like, it's really, really fun. Amazing stuff. The, the Sabrina Carpenter pacifists. I'm really here for it. Oh, that's a funny comment. Is this, uh, is this the solution to war? Yeah, it might be. Um, okay. Great stuff. Um, all right. Gen Z interns running government accounts. [33:07] I think I'm going to start to begin to have this as a weekly segment. Okay. Like there's this thing that has happened and I don't think that it is. [33:18] I think it is a product of our time. Like I know that people love to be like, Oh, this has never happened before. And like, [33:23] Actually, throughout history, things have happened. But I genuinely believe we're living in unprecedented times in terms of how very serious U.S. [33:32] like government institutions and accounts are like the meme of vacation of them. And like, I personally don't feel good about it. Like, I'm just like, no, I don't want you to do this. Yeah. So here's what we're looking at. We're looking at the U S department of energy tweeted yesterday, the infamous horse running, [33:52] meme that originated, which we're going to start about, we're going to talk about the origin in a second, but like originated with like three coffees, like no lunch, three coffees and a cigarette is like how this is ordinarily used. And for folks who can't see it, it's like a horse galloping full speed. Yeah.

[34:08] With Mount Fuji behind it. Nice. [34:11] And like there's like a beam of light coming out of it. And the U.S. Department of Energy tweets this with the text over it, how it feels to reinvigorate America's beautiful clean coal industry. [34:25] And I just don't want this. That's the only way I can say it. Here's the reason I don't like it. [34:32] It feels... [34:34] too close to propaganda. [34:36] Where I'm like, you're, you're, you're, [34:39] it. [34:40] I don't need my communications from the U.S. Department of Energy to be selling me an idea. [34:45] Wait. I just need them to be. [34:47] communicating what it is that they're doing. [34:50] Really honestly, clinically as possible. Like I, I, and as clearly as possible. Try. Give me the dry information. I just want the information from you. I don't need it to be spun. And this feels like a spinning. And I think that that's right. It is a spinning. It feels bad. [35:02] Yeah, totally. I totally agree with you. And also, like, I see this and I'm just like, [35:10] I want to get out of the meme game. Like, it's a bottom, it's a bottom signal to me. Like, I'm just like, I, I, I, it's a low frequency energy that's coming from the U.S. Department of Energy. I agree. If you go to the next slide, I just want to say that I did. [35:26] two source as a faux journalist find two sources to confirm. [35:34] that the origin of this horse running meme came from Jacob Horn

[35:40] of Zora fame, one of the founders of Zora. [35:44] texted somebody who um works there and knows him personally [35:48] This text, he made it laughing my ass off. So that's one source source is no, no, your meme says on April 3rd, 2024 user JS underscore horn posted an image with blown out editing of a horse running past a mountain. [36:06] So, [36:07] garn uh garnering over 1800 likes in two months shown below the same user minted the image on zora that day um so i don't know i feel like the meme has gone to the top of the food chain at this point and has um the next oh any anything dad i'm just like you're jacob and what do you think when the u.s department of energy like posts uses that and post that like we i want to like get some [36:37] I will say I have used this. I used the horse recently and I really, I do love it. My, I think mine was, oh, I was with you. Um, [36:45] hot yoga with a spray tan. Really good. Really good. Thank you. The next one here is the city of New York at NYC gov that quote tweeted a tweet from a woman named Buffies who said, name a side character who has main character energy. They quote tweeted that and said, New Jersey, [37:08] derogatory. Mm-hmm. [37:10] Again, this is, this is true. Of course, this is, this is foundationally true, but like, don't,

[37:18] Don't do this. [37:19] You know, I don't think they have this... [37:22] Bleeway. [37:23] Yeah. [37:24] This to me is like... [37:28] Cory Booker jokes. Like, I... [37:32] Do you remember when you get Corey? Totally. Yeah. Like when Cory Booker like [37:38] Oh. [37:39] Back when he was really having his moment, he would write these tweets that was about... [37:47] Oh, what was it? Like, uh, okay. Go ahead. [37:52] I can't remember exactly what the tweets were, but I remember like clearly a moment with you where I was like a big Cory Booker fan. Like I was like, he's handsome. He's handsome. Like he I he wants to like at the time he was really hot on like abolishing for profit prisons, which I was like really into and like following along closely. And like politically, I agree with a lot of what he. [38:12] He has to say, he was dating like Mika Kelly, I think. And I was like, this guy, like I had this vision of him. [38:19] And all it took was like this one comment from you. And I think you were just like, I can't even exactly remember what the comment was, but essentially like you were like, he's Chucky. And I was like, oh my God, like you have ruined him. Like ruined him. Like I cannot see him on the timeline. It took, it was just like a transformative moment for me. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm taking Corey Boehrer down brick by brick, one person at a time, hand to hand comment. But

[38:49] on his politics. It's a comment on a sense of humor and on a sense of humor, like from a politician, it was a, it was a trying that I was like, this isn't, [38:59] just stick to [39:00] abolishing for-profit prisons. Know your lane. Exactly. Know your lane. That's what I'm here for. I'm not here for, I think it was jokes about like coffee. He would make like all these like coffee jokes. Anyway, same vibe. I don't want, I don't want you to have any interests or complexity to who you are. Just one, no. Just please stick to the politics. I mean, which isn't fair, but also like you have to either be able to land it or you're Hillary Clinton Pokemon Go. [39:29] totally you know what i mean so anyway um and i just don't i don't know that this lands [39:36] For me personally, it might not land for other people, but that's where we're at. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Okay. That's all I have to say on this segment. Okay. Great. Next story here, data centers in space. So a couple of, actually a couple of space. [39:51] A couple of space stories here tucked into one. [39:54] The first story is about this thing that's happening where people are – [40:01] companies, people and companies are... [40:04] considering, wanting, trying, doing work to put... [40:08] data centers. [40:10] which, [40:11] are basically do all like the compute and like there's a whole story about like how we're going to need all these new data centers and more and more data centers as we start to rely more on AI and it's basically like that's where the AI is happening and other stuff other compute but there's been a lot of conversation about data centers and building more data centers but people don't want data centers and

[40:31] next to them. There's a NIMBY thing about data centers, fair or not. We're not going to discuss that here. But they're big warehouses, basically. They take up a lot of energy. They are huge [40:43] some would consider eyesores. So people are like, well, wait, wait a second. Some people think they're stunning. But now people are like, wait a second, maybe we can [40:56] put them into orbit. [40:57] maybe we can put them into space. So the, um, [41:02] So here's a couple reasons why. [41:05] space might work. And it's not a given that it's going to work, but it could work. The first one is that they need, um, [41:12] These big data centers, they need a lot of energy to run them. And space solves that really cleanly because there's solar energy and space and it is stronger than it is. The solar energy that you can access in orbit is stronger than you can get in space. [41:28] on earth because it doesn't have to like get through the atmosphere. I thought you were going to say, um, that you can get in the U S which is such a stupid thing to think you were going to say. It's the tariffs. Um, so yeah, you can, the sole, you can tap into a stronger solar energy, which is like endless. You can also like, I think what I, from the article I was reading, what I understand is that you can design, design the orbit so that like it stays in constant, um, [41:57] Solar energy, essentially. So there's ways to design the energy part of it where you're like, it's hugely 100,000 times more efficient than having it on Earth from an energy perspective. And then the second thing is that...

[42:13] these data centers needs to be cooled. So the chips run, they get super hot. And like, there's all this like cooling stuff and the cooling tech around, like making sure that [42:22] it cools down. And, um, when you're in space that can happen, wait, a hundred thousand times more efficiency as well. And, um, [42:34] so those two things make it way better and then there's stuff that's happening right now which makes it [42:41] possible not [42:43] guarantee but make us pop makes it possible the first one is all the starlink stuff [42:48] Okay. Is making it so that like you can transmit the data back to earth really efficiently. And that like the idea is that that becomes more and more efficient over time. And then the last thing is launching stuff into space is... [43:04] becoming way cheaper and this is the one that like people are like this needs to this needs to land in order for it to happen to be some like exponential exactly okay and that's what they're like the blue origin stuff the spacex stuff like everyone's like okay it is getting cheaper like the charts are going down in terms of like putting payload into space because of all these other because of [43:27] all these rich men that are building this technology. But the assumption is like that, that becomes like radically cheaper over time. And then once that starts to become cheaper, we can put more [43:40] and heavier stuff into space. And the vision is like big container like

[43:48] things that are being kind of like [43:51] lasered together up there and um [43:54] And it's kind of cool. I'm super into it. That's exciting. That's really interesting. Yeah. [44:00] I... [44:01] I'm curious if this is something that people are saying, oh, for the first time this is possible, or if this is something that they're saying like, [44:09] this is possible and going to happen in our lifetime. Like, is it going to happen in our lifetime or is it like just for the first time there's like a path to it? Yeah. Yeah. Good question. Um, okay. I really want to go to the next space story. Um, [44:21] I... [44:24] - [44:25] I have so many thoughts on this. Here's the thing. I just want to say first off, it's so easy. Okay. So you had the story here is that Katy Perry, well, Jeff Bezos, blue origin. They're putting, uh, uh, the first, uh, [44:38] all-female go to the next slide go to the next slide okay it will name who all the people who are okay the the first all-female um space flight uh up into space so the folks are katie perry lauren sanchez lauren sanchez is um jeff bezos's [44:55] Fiance? [44:58] They didn't get married, right? I think it's a fiancé. I think it's just baby... No, no, no, no. Oh, sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was thinking of Elon Musk's... No, Lawrence Sanchez is his fiancé. Yeah, yeah. Gayle King... [45:13] And then there's another female astronaut that's going up and there's this activist that's going up. And then Gail King, of course, is Oprah's best friend.

[45:23] They are going into the tweet reads, they're going to space together for 15 minutes next week. [45:28] Katy Perry, Lauren Sanchez and Gail King going to space together for 15 minutes next week is either going to officially usher in the recession as it lands or become the submersible for girls. That's so dark. It's so dark. But yeah, it's it's the first all female space flight. And I will say that like. [45:48] It's crazy how little... [45:50] air time it's getting no it's literally like i'm sorry but whoever [45:57] Whatever PR firm is on this must be fired. Yeah. Because I didn't learn about, you had to tell me about this and I can't express to you how, [46:07] up my alley. [46:09] This is like it. I am. [46:13] the market market. I'm the target. And like, I, it didn't cross my desk until it was sent to me by you. And then even after you sent it to me, I had to do so much digging on like, what the fuck is going on here? And like, then, and then now all I'm, all I'm getting is like, I'm, I'm, [46:31] sub tweets about Katy Perry. And one of the things I saw was like, [46:37] like it was like the pop crave [46:39] Um, [46:40] being like, Katy Perry's going to [46:42] i almost said prison katy perry's going to space a former prison yeah space next week and then someone quoted tweeted it and was like why and then someone like responded to that and was like so there can be like the first ever fumble in space which i thought was like so funny like people have such mean things to say about katy perry and that's a bummer for her but like does almost get me every single time anyway i just like like i just can't stop thinking why like i feel

[47:12] just keep asking like why though like why are why are we doing this and why are why is gail king [47:18] She has absolutely no reason. She has no business in space. No business in space. I mean, I know why Blue Origin's doing it. And I think that they were like, [47:29] who [47:31] I think to the earlier story, like there's this effort that they're doing around space travel becoming commercial, easier, safer, faster, like more normalized. And so it makes sense from their perspective. I think it's a funny crew that they've assembled. [47:49] that, [47:50] honestly reflects like a 2018... [47:53] 2016 [47:55] media environment and not a 2025 media environment. Like they, they could have gone, [48:01] the profile of passengers that we would have put together at sports club would have looked radically different to it. It reads to me that nobody wanted to do it. [48:09] This is who they could get. [48:11] That's how it reached me. Someone called in some favors for Gail and [48:17] Lauren yeah that was like please someone somewhere Lauren was a yes yes [48:22] You think so? Lauren was a yes. She's a yes. [48:26] totally i think i think the i think lauren was like who who are my friends can i get [48:30] Oh, really? [48:31] I can get Katie. I can get Katie Perry is doing anything to be in the news cycle. Literally, this is literally anything. Like this is the clearest demonstration of that.

[48:44] Anyway, crazy stuff. [48:47] Absolutely. Bongo. Can't wait to hear how it goes next week. I will have to dig for it because again, this is, [48:54] who's ever on this needs to yeah we need a new team on the publicity here um okay finally just a quick fiction recommendation uh i just finished this book orbital on the topic uh it is a [49:11] crew of astronauts that are orbiting through space. And, um, I really recommend it. So if you read one, the booker last year, run one, the booker, um, it's light on plot. It's a little bit of a meditation, but for me, okay. I know, I know you're a plot girl, but, um, it is, I found it to be very, uh, it fills your cup. Is this the, is this the one that you posted on Instagram about? I did post it. Okay. I bookmarked this. I also saw that all fours [49:41] very excited about it it's behind a zady smith book that i need to get through so i'm not gonna be in it for probably another week and a half but i'm very excited about it very okay can't wait to discuss cannot wait to discuss um okay one quick hit here uh shout out to andrea snack shot uh she posted about this this morning the boni ver fish wife collab smoked salmon 22 two pack we don't [50:11] It's not even sourced. I think he's famously from Wisconsin or Minnesota or something like that. It's not even...

[50:17] Wisconsin salmon. It's from Norway. That's crazy. It's a crazy collab. [50:27] I... [50:28] hate it. And I love both of these things. Like I love fish wife. I have spent [50:35] $16 on can't. [50:38] salmon from them. Okay, you have. I can't get there with that. Not happening, but I've done it. And I do have to say, [50:45] this is actually what was happening i was staying at a friend's house i was [50:48] it was like three o'clock, I hadn't eaten anything, saw that she had some fish wife- [50:53] canned salmon and I was like oh great I'm just gonna eat this is it like a higher quality like do you yeah yeah it's delicious like it's okay very good okay then at that point the price point then maybe can be justified [51:03] totally. I will say I ate it. And then I went to the grocery store later that week and I was like, Oh, I'm going to replace what I ate from her cabinet. And I was like, [51:12] whoa 14 flowers i was shook but then i was like okay like it was really good so anyway that was my journey with fish wife and i do but it's like a treat like definitely a treat in imo in my current state of [51:26] life. Bonnie Mayer, [51:29] loving the new EP, can't wait for the album, have listened to it too much already. I do not want this. So like, if you're listening, who's it for? I do not know. I genuinely do not know. [51:41] I don't know. Yeah, it makes both brands worse somehow. And it's shocking. It's also shocking for Bon Ivera, who's like, I don't feel like, I don't know that he does. This is a great comment. Eating smoked fish while listening to Skinny Love feels like nightmare fuel. I do agree. I do agree. But I also like, why would he...

[52:03] What does he get out of this? I don't know. I don't know. But we're over time and we have two more kids. So we have to move on. We don't have to talk about this. This was just a robot story. But that's it for. I did add this. We also don't have to talk about this. But I did see this. [52:19] And I, it upset me. It's a stumbled upon this AI Jesus podcast and I'm going to need a whole season. And it's an AI Jesus. And he's talking like in a podcast ask way, like, and he's like, you know, people are always asking me about, no, it's the worst, you know? And he's like, people are always asking me about like passion to Christ and like how I feel about that. And like, you know, when it's Sunday night, like that's not what it was. It was like, I was like, I'm so like, yeah. [52:46] I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone. Like what have we done here? Anyway, I'll send it to you. And if others are interested, just DM me and I'll, I'll, Oh my God. I'll share. Maybe I'll put it in the newsletter on Friday. [52:59] Great. Great. Great. Great. Okay. This was Dumpage Hour. So fun hanging with you guys. We will be back next week. We're usually here Wednesdays at noon. And thanks for listening. See you then. [53:12] Okay, that was DBH. Join us live on Twitter every Wednesday at noon. Or here, I guess.