Ep 197: Dumb B!tch Hour. Zora token launch, Special Guest Catty from Pathetic Fashion on Content Coins, Bridgit Mendler's Space Raise, Wi-Fi for Fishermen, Deadliest Catch, Conclave IRL, Williamsburg Bathhouse Worms, Lorde Summer, North Face Marketing Win

[00:00] Dumb Shower is a weekly live chat on all things tech, crypto and pop culture news brought to you by Boys Club, a New York based media and creative studio. DVH is hosted by myself, Tina Burke and Natasha Hoskins. Hi. Co-founders, marketers and entrepreneurs that have built our careers in new tech and startups. We're also proudly the dumbest in the room and we love to learn in public. DVH is recorded live and best consumed as a video podcast. Here's this week's show. [00:29] you [00:32] Welcome to Dembitch Hour. This is a live stream or DBH if the algorithm so... [00:38] chooses to favor that. We are here. I'm Dina. I'm not Dina. I'm Dina. Oh my God. I'm Natasha. This is Dina and Kate. And what we do here is- Natasha had a really late night. Natasha was out late last night. I think we should just disclose, just get it out of the way. I feel like we need to stop saying that because every time we're on this live stream, I'm like, I had a late night. [01:08] But yeah, I went to bed late. [01:10] And I had far too many cigarettes, honestly. You called me this morning and you were like, are you just waking up? And I was like, no, I just lost my voice. [01:20] I sounded so gross. Anyway, this is Dumb Bitch Hour. We talk about tech news. We talk about internet news. We bring on friends. It's a really good time. It's very low key. Feel free to turn it on in the background of your work day and learn about a few things and hear from a few...

[01:36] dumb bitches that's right okay agenda today we are going to talk about the uh zora token [01:44] launch, which just went live about, I don't know, 20 minutes ago, moments ago, moments, mere moments ago. This is a developing story. We're going to talk about that. Uh, we have a special guest caddy from pathetic fashion who is going to be joining to talk about, uh, content coins and just, just memes generally. Um, he is an incredible creator. I don't even know what creator means anymore, but he does really funny stuff. And so excited to get this take, uh, [02:14] Our Disney princess had a big fundraise big week. We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about Wi-Fi for, for fishermen. I'm on my fish beat. For those who don't know, Dina, Dina Weekly has a beat on fish. [02:33] I have a perfect story for today. And then we're gonna talk a little bit about Conclave and go through some quick hits. [02:39] So that's the agenda that we can expect from today's show. The net gala is next Thursday. [02:47] week next Friday. Fast approaching. Kate, can you put the link in the chat? Oh, sure. This is a party that we throw once a year. It's called the Net Gala. It's a play on the Met Gala, obviously. And it's a really fun night. It's a great party. We're doing it with Polygon this year, who we love so much. They're great partners. We are obsessed with them and working with them and are just very, very cool folks over there.

[03:17] Co-chairs. Every year we bring on people from corners of the internet that we love. The whole night is to celebrate internet culture. And so we have some great folks here who are co-chairing this event with us, bringing their vibes and community and brains to the evening. So should we talk about them? [03:35] quickly let's do it okay gabois is an incredible like creator no artist she's an artist she's like does these incredible installations um go check out her work pathetic fashion meme lord talking about fashion uh [03:53] We have a meme account, uh, [03:55] uh priya's fantasy world incredible meme account uh jamie cornelia is doing an installation she's an artist she'll be uh you can see some of her work at net gala as well as well as gabois uh [04:06] Reggie, Hip City Reg, just like a evangelist for technology, smart, [04:13] Great. I love Reggie so much. Just such a great guy. And he'll be there. He'll be DJing as well. And then Simona is a comedian and a great internet creator and we're obsessed with her. So spanning from fashion to art to culture to tech, all sorts of stuff here. [04:31] Anything to add, guys? [04:34] uh come party with us it's gonna be it's gonna be a vibe like people will be next day tweeting last night was net gala i got a draft nice nice yeah get them in the drafts now uh yeah just so excited uh one more note on polygon before we move on to the rest of the show uh so if you just love polygon they've been so supportive of us individually they've been so supportive of boys club um

[05:04] And just really grateful for that. And I think that a lot of people don't, [05:11] Polygon's like in so much of... [05:13] of web two, I have a note here. It's in using a... [05:21] on so polymarket uses it stripes crypto payments uses it like stuff that people actually use that actually [05:29] works polygon is in the background quietly powering that and i feel like that's really overlooked and i want to just give them their flowers right now and also say thank you for supporting us and for um yeah being a part of jump in shower [05:47] okay what's our first story here okay zora token [05:53] where do we begin i know i'm like uh um so um [05:59] For those who don't know, Zora is a platform where you can coin any type of content. [06:04] And they have been around for many years. Great team working very hard to figure out this sort of new world of... [06:16] internet, [06:18] money and content online and how to monetize that and create economies around individual pieces of [06:26] content uh their token [06:29] Their TGE happened today. So people can claim their tokens for participation on, you get tokens based on participation on their platform. And I never envy a token launch. I never want to be a part of a token launch personally or professionally. I think that there's no way to make everybody happy. Totally. And it's actually kind of crazy that you get dropped money into your wallet and people get upset. Like it's actually fucking nuts.

[06:59] in this industry. So people have some feelings about it. [07:03] I will say the token went live at 9 a.m., I believe. And when we checked around 10, it was at a $240 million market cap. They put out their first tweet about the claim at 11.11 this morning. And I personally made a few hundred dollars. So that's my personal story around it. I think that people are upset that they took a few hours to put the claim link out. What else? [07:33] we have to say here? I think that that seems to be the prevailing sentiment that I'm seeing is that there wasn't enough comms from the team. [07:41] Thank you. [07:42] They put the link out. When they put the link out, I don't know. It's like, to me, [07:48] That seems, I don't, I guess I'm not like fully understanding that criticism. And if someone wants to educate me, I'm open. I am with you, Natasha, on your take that it's, [08:00] free money and uh i'm just happy to be at the table i haven't claimed yet so i actually don't know how much i have if anything maybe i don't have any and [08:10] That would be okay too. I do think in fairness, just to give like a balanced take, I think that part of [08:17] the [08:18] The reason why people get upset and the reason why people get mad and like that that seems to always happen around these token launches is that... [08:29] there's kind of this implicit promise that's made. So these are all retroactive grants. So the idea is if you use the product or the protocol...

[08:38] in the past, then you are, uh, [08:41] you are granted tokens that, um, [08:45] that are basically commensurate to your [08:49] behavior on the platform or your interactions with the platform or the protocol in the past. And that's how a lot of these work. And I think that it's imperfect, but like is a fine, [09:00] like proxy for engagement or like how much value you've, you've, [09:04] brought to the platform, how much you've used it, and then you're rewarded for that usage. [09:09] And I think that... [09:12] Uh, [09:14] I think that the reason why people get upset is because there's kind of this like the air of it in Web3 is [09:21] you use these things, you're going to make money. [09:24] Zora isn't saying that. Zora hasn't said that. But it's kind of like the whole industry says it. And it's kind of like the, it's just theirs in the atmosphere. And so I think that like, that's why every time we see a token launch, there's people that are upset, because it's like they feel like [09:40] have, [09:41] they feel like they've been like kind of promised something and then it doesn't manifest in the way that they had hoped and then they get pissed off and so i don't think it's zora's problem necessarily if people are upset i think it's like the whole industry has over promised and under delivered [09:55] for a lot of these token launches. And that's my [09:58] Doesn't matter how I take on this. [10:00] Thank you. [10:02] Oh, you're muted.

[10:06] Why has that been happening so much? I will say this is a really funny take. Crypto Twitter is anti-Zora. And because crypto Twitter is counter signal, everyone is long. But since everyone is long, everyone decided to short. So to out trade them, people decided to long. So to counter trade them, I decided to short. And I'm just like, this is such a funny tweet to me. It's just so it's like it reminds me of being on the being. [10:30] on a playground as a kid and playing rock, paper, scissors and being like, well, they're going to do scissors. And you're like, and it's like that with much higher stakes and a lot more money on the table. So [10:43] Blake says I'm in the claim instructional video. [10:47] That's so funny. Oh, funny. Wait, wait, wait, what? Like you personally, your face? Comment the screenshot, Blake. That's crazy, Blake. I just claimed live, but I don't know what this means. So this giant number popped up that says 49,867. [11:04] okay what though like tokens [11:08] uh tokens so let's check the price dina are you pulling up the price i'm trying to yeah but um i get so nervous about [11:17] wandering around the internet while on a live stream we're not seeing anything do it on the phone do it on the phone okay i can look here too okay [11:26] uh [11:29] I [11:30] If we can get a price, then I can do, I can pull up my calculator at my trusty calculator.

[11:36] I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking. [11:38] Last time I checked, it was... [11:39] two cents. Okay. 0.023. [11:44] Okay, 49,000, Kate? [11:47] Uh, yes. Wait. Yeah, almost 50,000. [11:52] 0.023. [11:54] Point. [11:56] 0.0. [11:57] Thank you. [11:58] two three with 49,000? [12:01] Almost 50, yeah. Kate, I think you just made $1,127. Woo! There you go, babe. I think, let's double check my math because... No, no, no. I think that's correct because I got a few thousand... [12:15] Oh, fuck. Okay, we also have Caddy in the queue. Okay, let's go. Let's pull Caddy up. [12:24] Okay. [12:26] Thank you. [12:27] Hi, Catty. [12:28] Thank you. [12:30] Hello, hello, what's up? Hi! [12:34] - How's it going? - We're so happy to have you. We're excited to talk about Content Coins and some other things. You run a great meme account called Pathetic. [12:44] pathetic fashion. We love it. We engage with it all the time. We do fun collaborative posts with with you on it. And we're also very excited that you're going to be co-hosting the Net Gala. [12:55] How are you doing? How are you feeling about all the things? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I should also mention I'm heavily in crypto. [13:03] I lead marketing for Third Web, we're a big Web3 Infra company.

[13:06] I appreciate you guys a lot because you help my worlds collide. And, you know, it's an interesting time for, I think, people who make stuff, but also people who are interested in this kind of like new iteration of the internet. And, you know, [13:21] Yeah, I mean, it's been an interesting week. [13:24] What do you mean by that? Say more. [13:29] I think it's very easy. A lot of people are getting excited and I think [13:34] people who are in crypto and have been in crypto for a long time, we're very like in the weeds. [13:38] We're very close to the tech and we get very excited about [13:42] contract standards, mechanics, and [13:46] I kind of watch all this unfold and I actually think [13:49] There's just so way too much emphasis put on [13:52] I think a lot of stuff that doesn't really matter that much. What I think was really interesting about Zorro, you know, when [13:57] when they dropped coins a month ago or so, [14:02] It allowed me to post on a platform and get paid more than zero dollars to do that. [14:08] yeah i've been making stuff on like you know i started my career making like growing meme pages on twitter and um i do stuff on instagram um by the way twitter [14:18] once just suspended all my pages. They completely killed all my reach with no dedication. And that was the, you know, this is like almost 10 years ago now, but that was the moment that I knew that there was this kind of broken relationship between platforms and creators. And I think what Web3, what Unchained Social is trying to do is just like, [14:36] bridge that gap, right? And bring the platform and the money that flows on the platform a lot closer to the creator. And actually the mechanics of that, like,

[14:44] contract standards, tokens, like, I think we're still far away from figuring that out. But what is actually happening is creators are earning more than $0 for posting. And I think that's like a really powerful [14:56] mechanic and unlock the way it's been executed, maybe there's like, you know, [15:02] questions there, but I'm just excited that some movement's happening. [15:08] - Yeah, and I also like for context for people, [15:11] Like you have an incredibly engaged audience. Like one of pathetic fashion is a crazy account. Like you'll post something and it will get like, [15:22] thousands and thousands of likes in minutes. And so to have that level of engagement and that [15:28] that much of an audience and for that to be, um, not monetized on the platform level, but would have to be monetized through like, you know, whatever collaborative posts or brand deals or whatever. Um, [15:40] is kind of crazy that we've gotten so accustomed to that being the reality for creators online. So I hear you. I think that anytime we're early on building something and the first iteration of a [15:52] way of especially monetizing something there's going to be sort of like issues and problems with it but [15:58] directionally, I think we're headed somewhere more interesting for creative people. So do you have conviction in content coin, whatever? I don't know that that feels like the right way to describe what's happening here, but do you have conviction in coining, minting content?

[16:17] - [16:18] No. Not that I have strong conviction against it. What I think is like, um, [16:28] you know, experimentation is really important. And I think this is a really good next step. We all thought NFTs was going to be the same, right? We all thought like, [16:34] every Instagram post I made would be an NFT and people would collect it. That didn't quite play out. Like this is another version of that, which is kind of interesting. I don't know if [16:43] the idea of trading content is quite right. Where is there is there really a market for speculating on every piece of content? What I do know is [16:53] what Zora have done really well is abstract the crypto from the creator, right? So it's like, [16:58] I sign in, I post, I don't have to touch crypto, I don't see crypto. Yeah, but there are it has done is connected me to a market of crypto native people who are willing to trade this stuff like that's a really powerful mechanic. I don't have conviction that that's going to be the thing that works. But what I do know is like, you know, [17:17] I met a few people at the Zora party a couple of weeks ago and met enough people there who are now trying to stuff out because it is like an interesting alternative. And, you know, I think experimentation is good. I don't quite understand. Like, I see a lot of people in like, [17:32] you know, other chains or like people in the industry who are [17:35] um [17:36] you know like speaking against it and kind of dump dumping on it and stuff and um i don't think that's like really the right [17:43] behavior either because this is a permissionless industry. People can just build an alternative if they don't like it. So I don't know. I'm just happy that something is happening. I don't know if it's going to be the thing though.

[17:54] Fair. [17:54] Should we talk about Cluely? Oh yes. Surprise. Katty, have you been following the Cluely story at all? [18:05] I have. This is the cheating... [18:07] So we wanted to get your take on it. [18:13] It's Rachway. The ad that they put out is definitely an attention economy, whatever, result of the attention economy. But yeah, for folks who don't know, Cluley is an AI tool. It stays open [18:28] on your screen and it analyzes the audio and gives you suggestions on what to say. And that's the tool. But the ad that they made was like, you're on a date with someone and it's listening and it's like augmented reality in your field of vision. And it's telling you like, how to lie to the person that you're on the date with. And yeah, I think like the tool maybe is a conversation, but curious from a marketing perspective, how you felt about their decisions in marketing. [18:57] Bad that they made. [18:59] And how you feel about just like rage-based marketing generally, I think. Yeah, you know, it's... I kind of respect it because this kid doesn't really have much to lose at this stage. There's an element of that, but also, like, you know, he's entering a super saturated market. [19:14] And it was a really smart way of kind of reframing what they're doing and just cutting through the noise really nicely. Now, I don't know how much I agree with like marketing a use case that doesn't exist for your product, but.

[19:28] I think his goal was to get views and it worked. And I have to confirm that. There's a lot of commentary around like, are we entering Uncanny Valley? This is the end times, this is not what we want. [19:40] you know, if it's inevitable, then somebody's going to cash in and do something like that. [19:45] But honestly, a case study in framing is what I would say. [19:50] to just look at what you're building, really take a step back and reason from first principles. Like, what are we allowing people to do here? [19:56] Like we're letting them cheat. [19:57] And I do like that. I think it's smart. And [20:02] production was crazy. I was just amazed that this is like a teenager and he's [20:08] pulled off a production better than most you know tech companies have ever got close to and so and i think the director was like 17 years old um so i think we're entering this like content first [20:20] entrepreneur era where like the kids just know how to create great content so did you layout [20:27] - That reminds me of this week, did you guys see the Shopify intern thing? [20:32] You did. Okay. So for Kate and Dina, basically there, I think it was the Shopify CMO. [20:40] like quote tweeted something and was like, I've got an internship for you. Like hit the DMS. And the quote was, uh, [20:47] a tweet from this young woman who [20:49] was in college and she made like a basically like a trailer for her work and for herself and she was like I want to work at Shopify but they don't have any internships like let me introduce myself to show you what I can do and like made a like a two minute long trailer about what she's done in college and like the content work that she had done and talked about her podcast and like it was so well done and and like very cute and like really well executed and then she posted on Twitter and

[21:19] a really great story. And I think, [21:22] two things from that one. It's like, [21:25] The tooling has gotten so good that you can produce something like that with no money. And if you're willing to work hard and be creative, there's a lot of ways to show up. [21:33] And then second, I can never delete this app. Like I was like, Twitter's so great. It was such a like fun story to see on Twitter. It made me so happy. [21:42] Thank you. [21:43] that's amazing uh i saw that someone had done that i did not know that it was shopify so when you said shopify in turn i was like i don't know what you're talking about i think it was i think it was yeah because it reminded me of like that's how i got mcdonald's attention back in the day when i was a year ago when i was like interviewing with them i was like they're not going to see my resume okay i gotta do something master of this craft oh yeah i know i have done this game you've played this game you've played this game very well yeah um [22:08] Katty, did you have any thoughts on the Shopify intern? Yeah, it's kind of similar to the AI ad. It just like, it feels like everything is entertainment now. Like that's where I feel we're going, where getting a job, if you can entertain, you'll win. [22:23] Launching a startup, if you can entertain, like, you know, doing meme stuff, like I'm working with brands that I don't think would have touched this stuff like five, 10 years ago. But it's, you know, they just see that, like, [22:34] in an algorithm-driven world, entertain, make people laugh, and you'll win. Katty, where do you get your inspiration from? Like, I find so much of the work of creating memes or whatever is like in sourcing [22:48] truths. How do you, what's your process for that?

[22:52] I want to say a lot of it is just like being in New York is really helpful. Observational. Do you have like a notes app where you're writing stuff down? Yes. Yeah. Just leaving the house. McCarran Park last weekend, it was like the first hot day of the year. It was just like a microcosm. [23:07] But yeah, you know, honestly, my girlfriend is very helpful there as well. Like she obviously has like the [23:11] insight into the kind of stuff that's happening with women's wear, which is really helpful. But honestly, like I think I said to Kate recently, like, I just have this giant figma. [23:21] with every single post i've ever done it's like a kind of [23:24] crazy person's whiteboard. And so much of making this stuff is just like connecting old dots or like seeing an old format that worked and like bringing new trends in. And so I'd say that that like accelerates so much just by like, you know, it compounds over time where you've, once you've made like a thousand of these things, it generally gets quicker to make one or two. So. - Inspiration finds you working. - Exactly. - Katty, thank you so much for coming on. It's so fun to chat with you a little bit and can't wait for NetGala. [23:53] next week. Can't wait. It's going to be so great. Can't wait. Good luck. [23:56] - No, no, no, no, no. - Thank you so much. - Bye, see you later. - Yeah. [24:02] Yes. [24:03] Oh man, what a lovely guy. But that is the thing when you're a fashion commentator, then as soon as you step out, people are like, oh, yeah. [24:11] I see you're wearing whatever. Totally. That's a tough job to have. Okay. [24:16] So where are we at now? Let's talk about Bridget. Bridget, great. Our main babe here. She had a big week. I'm just going to pull up some notes here. So for those who do not know who this woman is, she is so impressive. She was a Disney star, and then she went to Harvard and MIT, and now she has –

[24:38] space infrastructure startup. So her... [24:43] business is called northwood they raised 30 million dollars this week led by alpine space ventures andreessen and founders fund and essentially they are building [24:55] like software and infrastructure for [24:58] for like critical space infrastructure. So you can think about like, [25:02] Her quote was basically that space is now the domain for much of our critical infrastructure. And what that looks like is GPS, climate monitoring, monitoring, like, [25:14] missile stuff, global broadband. And they're basically building like the tools, the actual physical infrastructure for all of that to happen, as well as the software to scale that. So, um, wow, really, yeah, really, really impressive stuff. So they're using this funding to, uh, expand their actual manufacturing. So 35,000 square foot, um, [25:41] Jessica Keever : physical infrastructure where they can produce this technology and then they're launching what they're calling the ground network so a system of earth based sites called Northwood ground sites that can communicate with these satellites and other space technology around the world so. [25:57] So is it satellites that she's building? Like satellite stuff? Satellite adjacent? Satellite adjacent stuff, yeah. So... [26:06] building like a lot of the behind the scenes technology that makes all of those all of that run smoothly okay so i think there's physical infrastructure as well as like software infrastructure okay got it it's not space travel stuff it's space it's like communications on earth stuff that happens in space exactly yeah it's not um katie perry going to space it's like um it's yeah like gps satellites and like um missile uh

[26:33] monitor like uh government contracting for missile uh warning stuff yes exactly um broadband things like that so yeah she's very cool she's so fucking smart like she's 32 years old she's so legit so i am such a fan of hers and think that she's really extraordinary um 30 million dollars doesn't sound like enough money to do that it really doesn't it really doesn't i was thinking the same thing and [27:03] For like hardware space satellite stuff doesn't feel like it feels like you're going to need more money for that. It does. A $35,000. A $35,000. [27:12] thousand square foot facility seems like you're going to run through that pretty quick but [27:18] Really legitimate backing. Andreessen Founders Fund. Barely enough for a new L2 in the comments. That's funny. That's really funny stuff. [27:28] Comment here, Nicole. I hosted Bridget when I worked at Berkeley and confirmed she is brilliant and lovely and a badass. Love seeing her continue to win. That's really... [27:37] Great endorsement, first-hand endorsement here. From Nicole, who I trust implicitly. Would love to have Bridget on the pod. So if anybody has a connect, please. [27:48] push us through, push us to the top of the inbox there. Okay. What's next? That's a good news story. Um, this is not quite so much of a good news story. So, uh, this is a story, great coverage from four for media about, um, wifi, uh, for not deep sea fishermen, because I think deep sea means deep in the sea, but far afield fishermen. Okay. Um, so let me just get to

[28:18] One sections. One sections, please. [28:22] Okay. So... [28:24] This is... [28:26] um yeah kind of a sad story but i think important for us really i thought it was gonna be a fun fish story it's not a fun fish story but okay i think it is good for us all collectively to know what's [28:39] There are [28:41] Indonesian [28:42] migrant crews that work on tuna boats. They're far in the ocean and they stay there for 10 months at a time. So they're like, you go out on this ship, on this boat, and you're there for a while and you're fishing. These folks work for $450 per month. So not a lot of money, 22 hour days in some cases. And the story here is basically that they don't have access to wifi during the time [29:12] months oh my god okay so it's pretty uh they're like totally cut off from humanity they're cut off from their family and the main issue with this story is that or not with the story with what's happening here is that the boats the ships do have the infrastructure and they do have wi-fi but they're just uh they're just available to like the calf like two percent of the [29:37] of the crew like just to the captain basically and so it's um [29:43] this like the infrastructure exists they're just not able to access it and part of like the speculation around why it is that they don't have access to wi-fi is that they'll like leak about their conditions like the working conditions are so bad there's no unions like in this sea world and so there's not a lot of like that type of protection for these workers and so i think like

[30:13] also is that this is like [30:15] critical, [30:16] infrastructure and [30:19] Um, [30:20] Also, like there's been cases of like people needing medical help and like not being able to access it. So it's really sad. It's really, really sad. And I think like part of why... [30:30] I wanted to bring this up on today's show is that [30:35] I'll speak for myself. I'm pro-tech. I'm excited about tech. I'm optimistic about tech. And I think about it all the time. And I like make a lot of conscious choices to [30:47] like, [30:48] cultivate that optimism because in the face of so much that you can be [30:52] like that feels dystopian often. And I think in the case of something like this, it's like, okay, great. Like you can use [31:02] the [31:03] Starlink to get [31:05] Netflix in your RV, great. That's cool. But we also need to let these dudes connect. [31:11] You can't have one, in my opinion, without the other. Wi-Fi at this point feels like... Human right. Human right. And if we're going to be pro-tech, we need to be pro-tech for all. And this is one of those instances that I think it's like you need to advocate for these people to have access to the technology as well, especially when it's life-saving. So I think that's what I want to say [31:35] That's Pope stuff, but that's that. Wow. It really sad, really sad and very interesting. I, [31:42] This is an aside, but when I was a kid, I used to really love the show, um,

[31:48] Oh my gosh, what was it called? It was about men in Alaska who... Oh, King Crab? [31:55] it wasn't called king crab, but it was, they were getting, they were king crab, they were king, king crabbing. And there was like different boats. And it was like the, the way that they kept the story like alive was that it's like, which boat is going to get the most crab? What are going to be the biggest crabs? And I watched a lot of that show. And it's like super weird that I did that because it's not a kid's show. And my dad and I would watch it. And I was just like, this is, and looking back, I was like, that is so weird. And I think it's because we [32:25] it was always on the hotel TV. Like it was just always on hours and hours and hours of the show. And then I remember very specifically when I got old enough, when I realized like, [32:36] it's time to stop watching this it was like a reunion of all the captains was a deadly catch deadliest catch deadliest catch yes yes um and it was like a deadliest catch captain reunion show and i was i remember watching it and it was like at a round table and i was like i like i actually am not interested in this anymore oh my gosh it's so funny it's so funny um i i see a [33:06] going live again. Okay. So deep lore for folks who aren't obsessive listeners to the podcast. I guess this time last year, we talked about the story of the fish doorbell. And I'm so excited to see this comment because...

[33:20] It's a very particular time of year where the fish doorbell is live. And I guess it's live again now. And I'm going to log on and check it out. But basically, for folks that don't know, [33:30] there's these locks in [33:33] Amsterdam. [33:35] Or like in and around Amsterdam where the fish need to swim the opposite direction of they need to be like let through the lock and in order and like otherwise they die like they and these locks. Oh, I thought it was for mating. Yeah. [33:51] It's not death, it's sex. Well, sex and death. Well, they'll die out. They'll die out. It's death. Yeah, yeah. More universal death. But yeah, basically for lots of different motivations, perhaps they need to get it through the lock and they have devised this like underwater process. [34:15] doorbell system where the fish shows up. Oh Nicole's live reporting. [34:19] the fish shows up and then, uh, [34:22] and then they let and then they someone lets the fish through the lock and it's like streamer the streamer the streamer like you let yeah you get you let the fish through the lock and it's so it's crowd sourced this is what nicole is saying live report from the doorbell the stream is crowded so ringing the doorbell isn't possible oh the stream wait does she mean the stream like the water stream or the stream like the live stream i think she means the live the people who are

[34:52] individually this time this next dbh we should live stream we should have a fourth window that's just live streaming perfect perfect [35:00] oh my gosh um okay moving on to conclave irl yeah we have our uh conclave break here so i think i am so excited about i'm so in her lane like i'm i have like it i'm like feeling like shaky there's like so much that i want to talk about okay i still haven't seen conclave so this is a this is a watch party i have not [35:25] okay whoa that's how i felt when you said you didn't you just watched interstellar okay it's it's just it's really important i know what it's about i know all i know the story i'm going to this weekend you know this is can i tell you why i haven't watched it yet just really quickly yeah i don't have a tv i watch all my television on an ipad and it is it's available on streaming services that's not it that's not the problem it's a beautiful film and i'm like [35:55] to go to someone's home and watch it on a television. I don't want to watch it on an iPad. Oh my gosh. I watched Maestro. Do you know the Maestro on my phone on a treadmill at the gym? And I was like, this is not how this movie is supposed to be watching. I respect that. It's like when I watched Wicked through a live stream on TikTok. Wicked, a 45-part TikTok series on Wicked. Okay, Dina, sorry. Continue on the conclave.

[36:25] you know, [36:26] You should just watch it. It is a beautiful film, but also... Just come over. We'll watch it on my TV. Perfect. Perfect. Problem solved. Okay, so Conclave is... [36:38] an incredible film. It came out last year. Ralph Fiennes, it's an incredible cast, such a fun transporting film about the election of the next pope. It's in two ways, like both the lowest stakes thing that you could ever imagine and also the highest stakes thing that you could ever imagine in one. And that's part of what makes the movie so incredible. And these guys do a great job. [37:08] beautiful frocks and they're walking around Vatican city. And it's just like, so it's, you are just going to be, [37:15] somewhere else for an hour and a half. And personally, that's what I love about movies. So great film. That came out. And then of course, last week, [37:23] A couple of days ago, the current pope sadly passed away. [37:27] And so that means it's conclave time. Moments after meeting J.D. Vance, which confirmed for many on Twitter that he is actually the Antichrist. [37:36] So that happened, I guess it was on Sunday. [37:40] On Easter Sunday too. On Easter Sunday. Crazy shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Iconic move. Iconic move by that man. So what has been happening since then is the internet has gone crazy because I will say there's like what's called the conclave hive, which is a bunch of people who are on Twitter too much and who are addicted to the internet that love conclave and are like total stans of conclave. I'm in the conclave hive. It's incredible memes that are happening in and around conclave.

[38:10] so that we could see it. [38:12] This, of course, was the format from Euphoria. [38:17] that was repurposed by Pope Crave, which is an account that if you're in the Conclave Hive, you're following. Oh, my God. So, um, [38:27] But what's happened is that like it's been hysteria has taken over where it's like we have this incredible movie and now we have an actual real life conclave. And well, for the record, the conclave actually doesn't happen until 20 days after the pope dies. So we're not in conclave until the beginning of May. But all the political. [38:49] The politicking has started. And that's like the movie. The movie is all about the politicking. And so now we're just like engrossed in this... [38:57] politicking we have leaderboards we have poly markets um of who's gonna be the next pope people have started to make um endorsements pope crave have endorsed the um it's so funny the filipino uh [39:14] a cardinal who is up. There's like a list of basically the front runners and, and cool. So anyway, I, I guess there's a lot more that I could, I could talk all day about what's happening here. But the one thing that I think is, [39:29] Um, [39:30] The reason why I think this is so juicy and so interesting is there's something... [39:36] extra special that happens on the internet when something [39:40] that is extremely old.

[39:42] like an old institution, like an ancient institution, like the Catholic Church or the Vatican or the seat of the Pope. [39:50] hits. [39:50] like the internet and the [39:53] the insanity that happens on the internet at like lightning speed when these two things meet like magic happens so i think that's what we're seeing here with conclave and it was it's been heightened by obviously the movie just coming out where everyone now like i saw someone tweet that was like if you saw a conclave and if you're a fan of the movie you should get a vote in what oh my gosh i saw one that was like the marketing for this movie is crazy so anyway that's what's happening there and then i oh sorry go ahead go ahead please [40:24] The thing that I've seen, the movement that I've seen around it that I've really loved is that the next pope should be a hot woman and the hashtag girl pope. [40:31] I'm really enjoying all of that content around it. And people like petitioning for specific women. [40:38] it could not be funnier honestly in my opinion um and then just one quick tech story here uh [40:44] which was really funny. The Pope's Instagram account, I guess, liked a photo of this Brazilian model. And the Vatican is asking how this happened. The Vatican asks Instagram. Come to Brazil. Come to Brazil. Can you imagine getting that email? You work at Instagram and the Vatican's reaching out being like, how is this photo like? Oh my gosh. So great stuff. Great stuff.

[41:13] Mm-hmm. [41:14] Okay. Okay. [41:15] Moving into some quick hits. I'm going to take this story. Bathhouse Gate. Are either of you familiar with Bathhouse Gate? Nope. Okay. So Bathhouse originated in Williamsburg as a sauna steam bathhouse. It's a sceny spot. Then they opened a location in Flatiron. Really nice location in Flatiron. Plunge pools, saunas, steams. For some people, it's their thing. For other people, it's not. [41:41] It's. [41:41] I love a sauna. I love a spa. I'm a big, big, big spa girl. I will say there's like a vibe to bathhouse that can be really quite a thing where it's like there's... [41:52] Just as you can imagine, a lot of cruisy. [41:55] Are people nude? [41:56] No, no, it's not nude. It's not nude. Just like I would say Flatiron is not as much this way. But the Williamsburg location was definitely like a scene and be seen. Be half naked and like be like was was. [42:07] because keyword there load-bearing uh yeah foundational word um it expanded in williamsburg i have not been in a while because i've been hitting another spot [42:20] The expansion... [42:21] has not... [42:23] gone well and basically there's a viral viral reddit that came out that said uti from bathhouse 604 upvotes and essentially the expansion of the bathhouse in williamsburg has mold and worms and all of these issues and there are many many women and people being like i have gotten

[42:50] a UTI from going to bathhouse. And someone had informed me of bathhouse gate. And I texted them today. And I was like, Hey, do you have a link to anywhere? And she was like, Oh, just look up Williamsburg bathhouse with key trigger words, UTI worms, grime. [43:05] disgusting and like this reddit thread is absolutely brutal and then of course the new york post picked it up did a whole article on it there's like workers right workers who have been there being like i've been inhaling mold for years like there's all of these issues with bathhouse in williamsburg so uti from bathhouse check out the subreddit on it um it is a wild wild ride and i'm gonna unsubscribe from there for a bit [43:31] Okay, so... [43:33] And then someone tweeted, I miss bathhouse Williamsburg. [43:35] pre-worm. So they expanded the one that was on like North 10th or whatever. Same place, same location, same location. And that's the one to steer clear of or just in general? That's the one to stay clear of. No, no, no. That's the one to stay clear of. I mean, I will say I always, whenever I'm in [43:52] a spa and when particularly with bathhouse because you're like underground essentially yes you are i i am always thinking about how they're managing all the water oh well the big thing about bathhouse too is that it's powered by bitcoin um miner bitcoin mining is what heats the pools so radiation and utis can be expected at bathhouse wait but that's like a joke though right no it's not a joke it's real that's real oh [44:17] Yeah. But like, you know what I mean? Just water. Like water is a lot of water. There's a lot of water to clean up every day. They're managing so much water.

[44:30] water and water and like totally that's not a business i want to be in so never never want to be in that business no way also like never um [44:40] just never want to be in a situation where I am going to my gynecologist saying like, hey, I think I have a UTI because of the spa I went to this weekend. Yeah. Is it also, is it like 18 and up? It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. I was going to say, don't add children into that. Okay. Next one, Brad Summer. Kate, you got to tee this up and then I'm going to explain some things to some people here. Great. So if you didn't see, Lorde had a free show in Washington [45:10] And it was very reminiscent of last summer when Charlie XCX had her free show in Bushwick and spotted... [45:21] you know, being her little hype man was Terry. Terry is Charlie XCX hype man. And so everybody is now looking at this going, okay, it's not brat summer. We're moving on to Lorde summer. [45:33] - Terry, Terry, Terry. Dina, are you familiar with Terry? - No, but he looks like a TikToker. [45:39] Okay. I'm going to give some lore on Terry. But I don't know. I became familiar with Terry many, many, many years ago because... [45:47] uh, Benny drama. Do you know Benny drama? Okay. Benny drama is a TikToker Instagrammer. He got huge a few years ago because he would do these Kardashian impressions that were amazing. He's incredibly funny and he has a podcast now and like whatever. And he's like an internet sensation. His partner is,

[46:07] was this very handsome man named Terry, who I just knew as Benny Drama's [46:12] partner. [46:13] They moved to LA a few years ago. I was like following them on Instagram. And then I was like, why do I follow these people and know everything about their life? And then this summer or last summer with Brat Summer, it like all of a sudden this man, Terry, was everywhere with Charlie XCX. Everywhere. Behind her at every show, like at every table. And then it came out that like Terry is... [46:35] the hype man for charlie xcx and they're like all best friends and terry started to have a lore of his own and became like his own internet sensation a few weeks ago i'm at a mark ronson dj set [46:49] and who is behind Mark Ronson? Terry. And I was like, oh my gosh, the whole group I was with, I was like, oh my God, Terry's here, Terry's here. And everybody's like, who's Terry? And I'm like, well, do you know who Benny Drama is? And they're like, this is such a deep internet cut. Like this is crazy lore. Anyway, it was really nice to see all of the responses to Lord's Post being like Terry, Terry, Terry, because I'm like, I'm not alone. We're all watching. And he's a very handsome man. Like he's like a very good looking guy and an excellent hype man as it turns out. [47:17] So, yeah, his mark. He's kind of like the modern day Rick Rubin. There you go. And Rick Rubin's wrestling. He was at WrestleMania this weekend. [47:29] You know, just throwing it in with good taste. But my question to both of you, are you ready for Lord Summer? No, I'm sorry. She's not for me. I really respect her. And I think she's wonderful as a person and a human being. But it's not my vibe.

[47:43] Personally. [47:44] It's a little too, like, sad. [47:46] Sad girl. Very sad girl. Sad girl. The viral clip of her shushing the crowd, I can never not see. Oh, God. There were tweets. [47:56] on a lot of these videos being like, you know, she wants to shush this crowd so badly. That's so brutal, but it's so that like, you can't outrun that. Unfortunately, she, she will never be able to for, for me, but, um, for all of those who celebrate Lord summer, I wish you well. [48:11] Yeah. [48:12] I'm happy for you. Happy for you. [48:14] Okay. The next one is twins so hot right now. So as a twin. [48:21] I am reporting live on these two. This is your fish. This is your fish. This past weekend or on the 18th, the movie Sinners released, which was starring Michael B. Jordan, who plays identical twin brothers. And everyone's talking about how incredible the movie is. I haven't seen it yet, but everyone highly recommends. So I guess go see it. [48:46] And then these two Australian twins went viral because they were interviewed on an Australian news station. You know, some shooter was, I guess, in the... [48:58] neighborhood and they were interviewed by News Anchor and they just [49:02] They. [49:03] like have to talk at the same time. And [49:08] Some people found it funny. Obviously other people had, you know, comments on it, but as a twin, I go, this is how people view twins. These two women that like speak.

[49:17] in synchronicity, is that a word? Sure, sure. And wear the same thing. [49:23] When people find out you're a twin, that's how they view you. [49:26] Okay. You felt seen. I did. I really did. [49:31] And I'm like, I'm a big fan of these women. [49:34] Okay, what's the next story here? [49:37] Kate [49:39] I think this is you banning artificial food dyes. This is also in my lane. Snackstraw did a great carousel. We love Andrea. RFK Jr. announced that he's phasing out artificial food dyes by 2026. And this was kind of news before, but I guess it's just like, you know, [49:58] the the plan has been laid out and which one which artificial food dyes will be banned which are pretty much just like colors and numbers you know red for me is like the main one that everybody makes memes about um that's in like doritos and skittles and nerds rope and so pretty much all of the uh foods you see here hot cheetos skittles fruit by the foot [50:22] gushers, all the things. I don't know that I see this actually happening. That's my, that's my take on it. I think that like Trump is too in the pocket of big [50:33] Mondelez or whoever it is that makes these [50:36] and I think that's a good question. [50:37] to actually... [50:38] make this real. What I've heard is that Europe and other countries have these foods, they just don't use [50:46] the artificial food dyes they like use sugar or like you know something else

[50:51] Uh-huh. So I actually don't. How I feel about this is I don't care. Just don't come for Diet Coke. [50:59] Like, do not comfort I-Coke. [51:01] I will write it. I mean, Trump won't let that happen. Trump loves. Oh, that's where Trump and I, that's where we're aligned. Most aligned. The one thing in the center of the Venn diagram. Exactly. Exactly. [51:15] Okay. Miranda says, I think they just have to make their products less vibrant. Like Canada. Wow. A little Canada, a little Canada digging. So, okay. I, I, it will be interesting to see what plays out here. I, I kind of feel like this is a similar, this is like a tariffs level. [51:31] negotiation thing where it's like you say it you get some headlines but it never it's [51:36] There's some side deal that's made. Okay. [51:40] with Cheetos HQ. It's theater. It's theater. It's snack theater. It's snack theater. Okay. Let's go to the next one here. I think we might, Oh, this is a funny one that I had to have explained to me. It was come and take it with a star and then a nerd's bag, which I didn't get at first. Then I w it was explained to me that that's a graphic that's commonly used for guns. [52:02] It's the come, like the don't tread on me. Don't tread. Yeah. I wasn't aware of that. Speaking of on, on the guns topic, I was at a national park this past weekend and a man was wearing a shirt. I saw many incredible shirts on that, on this particular trip. It was in rural Kentucky. So you can imagine what one, but one, the one that stood out that he was wearing a shirt that said, um,

[52:29] emotional support [52:31] machine gun. Whoa. Like, this is my emotional, like my, this is my emotional support dog, but this is my emotional support machine gun. And I was just like, [52:40] Conjuring active shooter at a national park is crazy. That's a crazy bad vibe. Crazy bad energy. Aura. Bad aura. Bad energy, dude. Like, what's that about? Like, kids, everyone's around. And already you're heightened because you're, like, in a state that's gun-friendly and you're like, I don't know. Like, I'm going... [52:59] And then he has to wear that shirt. I'm watching the pit right now. Oh, yeah. No spoilers. [53:08] It really comes home. Okay. Last thing here. I know we're at time. [53:11] Oh, we don't have time for this, I don't think. It's just real quick. Real, real, real quick. Yeah, it's just influencer marketing done right. North Face basically gave their product, their jackets, to this incredible influencer, Dr. DJ. And he's just very dry humor. Really great moment. Look it up. [53:31] Dr. DJ on TikTok. Great. [53:34] Good follow. Good stuff. And lastly here, we are a shout out to Avalanche. We are joining them at their London summit on May 20th and 22nd. We are so excited to be there. It will be very fun. There's some incredible speakers. Meltem is going to be there, which we love to see. And then we're doing a boys club hang there on May 21st at the summit. So for more information, check our Google Doc website and we've got stuff linked there.

[54:03] Okay. [54:04] Great, great time, guys. Love to be with my bitches. Okay, thanks for joining. Talk to you guys later. [54:13] Bye. [54:16] Okay, that was DBH. Join us live on Twitter every Wednesday at noon. Or here, I guess.